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I first joined this channel 367 days ago 10:48:55 would you care to elaborate on that? :) 10:49:36 water: is my sense of time distorted so I do not see the expedience? :) 10:49:55 uh you're not talking about tunes then 10:50:21 hmm? 10:50:23 the expedience is here now, it's the usefulness that's missing 10:51:34 if you mean the expedience of the appearance of the usefulness, that's another question, and it means YOU SHOULD HELP! :) 10:52:53 well.. it has been expedient in helping me design my own language proejct 10:52:55 project 10:53:02 so, yes.. I suppose it is the usefullness that is missing 10:53:08 i forget, which one is that? 10:53:32 the reflective one with no URL and no name until it has a working compiler 10:53:41 lol 10:53:46 another lisp clone? 10:53:53 the one I just got an 'OK' to develop at work 10:54:07 nothing like lisp 10:54:15 and of course since it's not online, no one can critique it 10:54:30 so describe it 10:54:33 because there isn't much to critique at this point 10:55:02 have you looked at pliant? 10:55:29 water: pliant was my other major inspiration 10:55:42 heh 10:56:13 water: and I really have not reason not to implement a self-hosted pliant compiler except that my project is also an educational project for myself... 10:57:19 so where are you starting from with the language definition? 10:57:29 water: my language {is, will be} a pure message-passing language in which eg.. namespaces, parens, etc implemented as modules as we discussed earlier 10:57:48 "we discussed earlier"? 10:58:08 water: s/we discussed/I asked you for help on tail recursion in/ 10:58:16 ok 10:58:38 what's the diff between that and slate? 10:59:20 water: I started with a list of semantic requiresments, refined that over a few weeks 11:00:01 water: I haven't seen enough new documents on slate. The difference when I started the project was that I couldn't find enough documentation on slate to find it helpful 11:00:13 P 11:00:23 so why not ask me? 11:00:53 that _is_ a good question 11:01:36 since i'm currently trying to document what i know, but the outline is really troublesome 11:02:21 and eihrul *is* implementing it 11:03:40 so...? :) 11:04:17 so do you have documentation I could read even if it is a mess? 11:04:37 yeah, it's called the irc logs :/ 11:04:44 seriously, i grep those 11:04:57 and i log private discussions with eihrul 11:05:06 eihrul is implementing from these? 11:05:07 which are numerous and lenghty and focussed 11:05:15 yep 11:05:22 apt-get install libtelepathy1 11:05:23 ok 11:05:52 you want a copy of those logs? 11:06:32 yes 11:06:54 ok 11:07:46 hm one of 'em is cut off at the beginning 11:08:52 hey xef4 11:09:07 i'm trying to dcc you a log file. do you want it? 11:09:22 ok 11:10:43 there's 4 files total 11:11:40 hm the last two aren't very useful unless you thread them into logged discussions 11:11:46 (of channels) 11:16:06 k 11:16:14 i found more 11:17:23 send 11:20:23 how recent are these logs? 11:20:41 less than a month 11:21:23 slate has been a new language every single week we talked about it :) 11:21:33 yep 11:21:43 sounds like the state my language was in last week 11:22:03 slate's been like that for a couple of months now 11:22:17 i've heard smalltalk was like that in the early 70's 11:25:05 so smalltalk 74 is completely different from smalltalk 72? 11:25:23 yeah, and so is smalltalk-76 11:25:56 and smalltalk-72 was a bunch of different things before they implemented it for the first time 11:28:34 btw have you looked at the slate docs on diktuon? 11:28:58 I believe I have - is diktuon powered by postgresql? 11:29:06 yep 11:35:00 url, again? 11:35:16 http://diktuon.arrow.cx (if it's up) 11:35:57 hm it seems it isn't 11:36:44 anyway, that's where the new docs were going 11:42:51 there have been more recent discussions with eihrul, but i never logged them myself 11:43:07 i know lar1 has logs of a lot, though, through Brianna 11:46:06 k... I'll write a description of what I have after I'm done with a configurator project for work 11:47:20 ok 12:00:09 regex joined #tunes 12:00:26 hi 12:00:39 anyone know of linux tunes? Some music about linux? 12:01:03 water points at the topic 12:01:19 sorry, not those tunes 12:01:30 damn 12:01:44 there is no topic 12:01:53 eh? 12:02:06 anyone seen MacOSX yet.. It's really good 12:02:14 -:- #tunes There isn't a topic. 12:02:17 [TOPIC] water: TUNES: Free Reflective Computing System at http://www.tunes.org/ 12:02:34 regex: yeah i've been looking at it 12:02:39 It's UNIX!!!! *BIG SMILE* 12:02:44 kind of 12:02:54 it's MachBSD 12:03:01 true. 12:03:52 What aGUI though.... it's amazing! 12:04:05 maybe 12:04:23 have you ever used squeak? 12:04:35 nope... whats that. 12:04:48 it's a smalltalk os that you can host on any other os 12:05:01 with it's own gui 12:05:13 XeF4 tries to places what, exactly, about OSX is reflective 12:05:19 s/places/place/ 12:05:19 and yes it has anti-aliased fonts and transparencies 12:05:32 xef4: it ain't 12:05:39 heh.... s/places/place/g (gotta have the g) 12:06:14 regex: not if I only replace the first instance 12:06:31 heh.... Oh... *SMILE* 12:06:42 abi: squeak? 12:06:42 squeak is a cool pure oo language descended from Smalltalk, at http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ or at http://www.squeak.org/ or The open source mouse that roars! 12:06:58 OPEN SOURCE RULES! :) 12:07:18 yeah and open source smalltalk kicks open source c's ass 12:07:21 nomad:~$ echo "I'm trying to places this" | sed -e "s/places/place/" 12:07:21 I'm trying to place this 12:08:55 Perl... It's all perl to me. 12:09:13 perl is just skinnable c :) 12:09:34 ARRRGGGGGG Blasphimer! 12:09:49 heh you came to the wrong channel to talk about perl and c :) 12:10:14 I have my relgious convictions on any channel... :P 12:10:54 regex: go drink a litre of vodka and sing the Free Software Song if you want those tunes 12:11:55 Jagermiester and a Regex.... and a clove cigarette.... that is happiness. *SIGH* 12:13:31 regex: are you a bot? 12:13:50 Only on weekends... 12:14:48 my $line =~^([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\. 12:14:48 ([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.([01]?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])$ 12:18:18 silence covers the crowd.... 12:18:40 have you looked at our website? 12:20:44 yep... cool... ill look at it at work. 12:21:00 ok 12:45:38 [QUIT] smklsmkl quit: No windows for this server 12:54:49 smklsmkl joined #tunes 13:10:00 water joined #tunes 14:25:12 bbl tonight.... 7 hours or so 14:25:15 [QUIT] water quit: The Tao went that-a-way! 15:30:47 ult joined #tunes 15:31:27 eihrul joined #tunes 15:31:37 heh 15:31:58 just got here myself 16:40:53 ult joined #tunes 17:13:21 ult joined #tunes 18:03:13 ult joined #tunes 18:22:53 Kyle_La joined #tunes 18:34:38 [QUIT] INK quit: damn parrot..... 20:29:56 dwelch joined #tunes 20:30:04 dwelch left #tunes 21:39:38 [QUIT] ult quit: Read error to ult[user-38lccr8.dialup.mindspring.com]: EOF from client 21:42:35 water joined #tunes 21:42:44 re 21:44:00 hm i missed eihrul 21:44:16 lo water 21:44:22 hey 21:45:49 water has been thinking out arrow code architecture for squeak 21:46:27 the Abstract-Arrows thing? 21:46:36 yeah 21:46:42 oh 21:46:47 making a whole architecture out of it 21:47:39 so what part does/will slate play? 21:48:09 slate's namespace structure *is* an arrow graph 21:48:25 i see 21:48:39 also the user-level type stuff for slate directly relates to arrow ideas 21:49:56 so you plan on doing slate in squeak too? 21:50:14 no, this is just to demonstrate idea 21:50:16 ideas 21:50:18 ah 21:50:36 something more concrete would help plenty 21:50:37 smalltalk code is usually very readible 21:50:44 and malleable 21:51:08 well the existing arrow code already does a bit to explain the basic concepts 22:03:18 hrm 22:03:32 how do i import the .st file into the object browser 22:03:37 oh 22:03:41 =] 22:03:43 open a file list 22:03:53 ok 22:04:01 from there, right click on the file and select file in 22:04:34 ah 22:05:02 i had it opened in a transcript window 22:05:14 i don't have an example gui app yet, currently i have some old modifications to the lisp app for squeak that does a few arrow things 22:05:20 oh 22:05:48 gui app? 22:06:04 yeah something with a window and an interactive session pane 22:06:09 oh. 22:06:27 threw me off there 22:06:45 heh thought i meant drawing arrow graphs? :) 22:07:05 heh i had no idea really 22:07:12 ok 22:07:43 ok this is much more readable 22:16:58 does this have the complete semantics for arrows/graphs yet? 22:17:15 or just partial model 22:17:17 not quite 22:17:26 it does all of the finite things 22:17:36 cache-management, basically 22:17:42 oh 22:18:01 i'm still working on the semantics stuff, which requires more classes 22:18:12 are you on the tunes mlist? 22:18:15 yeah 22:18:22 it seems dead though 22:18:24 my last mail listed the TODOs 22:18:35 just a day or two ago 22:18:47 ah there we go 22:18:50 found it 22:36:25 so do things make a bit more sense now? 22:36:40 seems to make more sense 22:36:46 eihrul joined #tunes 22:36:50 re eih 22:43:14 water does some thinking 22:47:39 re 23:44:27 [QUIT] eihrul quit: [x]chat 23:51:09 water: Tu esta aqui? 00:26:30 smoke joined #tunes