01:30:34 <moebious> yo
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05:03:13 <anthonysimon> ello All
05:03:18 <anthonysimon> Hello^
05:03:40 anthonysimon looks at abi
05:03:44 anthonysimon smiles
05:04:09 anthonysimon hugs abi
05:04:25 <anthonysimon> Is there any living people in here?
05:04:28 <anthonysimon> LoL
05:04:47 <anthonysimon> abi, who am I?
05:04:47 <abi> anthonysimon is my master
05:04:54 <anthonysimon> good girl
05:04:59 <anthonysimon> )
05:05:25 <anthonysimon> Brianna, are you a bot?
05:06:05 <anthonysimon> Brianna, who am I?
05:06:13 <anthonysimon> Guess yer not a bot
05:06:18 <anthonysimon> hehe
05:06:20 <anthonysimon> sowwy
05:06:55 <anthonysimon> abi, is there anyone in here that is living?
05:07:12 <anthonysimon> abi, who is starr?
05:07:12 <abi> starr is scarlett
05:07:19 <anthonysimon> good girl
05:07:26 anthonysimon gives abi a buscuit
05:07:49 <anthonysimon> Abi, who are the jerky boys?
05:07:49 <abi> the jerky boys are funny
05:07:53 <anthonysimon> hehe
05:07:58 <anthonysimon> Abi, :)
05:08:11 <anthonysimon> Abi, who are you?
05:08:11 <abi> i am I dunno.
05:08:15 <anthonysimon> lol
05:08:25 <anthonysimon> Abi, wizwoz is a cheesehead
05:08:35 <anthonysimon> Abi, who is wizwoz?
05:08:35 <abi> wizwoz is a cheesehead
05:08:39 <anthonysimon> rofl
05:08:47 <anthonysimon> poo is icky
05:08:55 <anthonysimon> abi, what is poo?
05:08:55 <abi> anthonysimon: wish i knew
05:09:09 <anthonysimon> I guess you don't know unless I direct it to you
05:10:16 <anthonysimon> Abi, My name is Anthony
05:10:23 <anthonysimon> Abi, What is my name?
05:10:23 <abi> anthonysimon's name is Anthony
05:10:43 <anthonysimon> Abi, My phone number is 555-5555
05:10:50 <anthonysimon> abi, what is my phone number?
05:10:50 <abi> anthonysimon's phone number is 555-5555
05:11:02 <anthonysimon> Abi, status
05:11:03 <abi> Since Fri Jul 21 09:41:26 2000, there have been 30 modifications and 54 questions.  I have been awake for 1 day, 19 hours, 29 minutes, 37 seconds this session, and currently reference 23 factoids.
05:11:32 <anthonysimon> abi, weather
05:11:37 <anthonysimon> Or not
05:11:43 <anthonysimon> abi, I love YOu
05:11:51 <anthonysimon> Abi, Do I love you?
05:11:51 <abi> i don't know, anthonysimon
05:11:57 <anthonysimon> Well I do!
05:12:03 <anthonysimon> Even if you are a bot
05:12:23 <anthonysimon> BRB
05:12:32 <anthonysimon> Abi, my status is Away
05:12:37 <anthonysimon> Abi?
05:12:37 <abi> anthonysimon?
05:12:42 <anthonysimon> ROFL
05:12:50 <anthonysimon> Just makin sure
05:12:57 <anthonysimon> Abi, whats my status?
05:12:57 <abi> anthonysimon's status is Away
05:13:09 <anthonysimon> Good girl
05:13:13 <anthonysimon> )
05:13:17 <anthonysimon> abi, :-)
05:13:18 <abi> zero
05:13:23 <anthonysimon> zero?
05:13:31 <anthonysimon> hmm
05:13:35 <anthonysimon> abi, 5+5
05:13:36 <abi> 10
05:13:42 <anthonysimon> Holy cow!
05:13:53 <anthonysimon> abi, 7*9+63*67/2
05:13:53 <abi> 2173.5
05:14:01 <anthonysimon> abi, my name?
05:14:01 <abi> anthonysimon's name is Anthony
05:14:05 <anthonysimon> hehe
05:14:11 <anthonysimon> BRB
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05:42:53 <anthonysimon> Hrm
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05:57:40 <anthonysimon> Abi, DemonCowboy is funny.
05:57:45 <anthonysimon> Abi?
05:57:45 <abi> anthonysimon?
05:57:51 <anthonysimon> Hello, Abi
05:57:51 <abi> anthonysimon: hoy
05:57:57 <anthonysimon> hoy?
05:58:02 <anthonysimon> Abi, Hoy?
05:58:03 <abi> i don't know, anthonysimon
05:58:09 <anthonysimon> Neither do I!!
05:58:18 <anthonysimon> ROFL
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06:09:46 <anthonysimon> abi, Butch321 is HeroTCC
06:09:54 <anthonysimon> abi?
06:09:55 <abi> anthonysimon?
06:09:58 <anthonysimon> I love yew
06:10:03 <anthonysimon> )
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06:11:06 <anthonysimon> Butch!
06:11:17 <anthonysimon> Can U hear me?
06:11:26 <Butch321> hey anthonysimon
06:11:34 <anthonysimon> )
06:11:48 <Butch321> i had my sound down
06:11:49 <anthonysimon> You can hear me, right?
06:11:55 <Butch321> no
06:11:58 <anthonysimon> lol
06:12:08 <anthonysimon> ok
06:12:13 <anthonysimon> Now watch this
06:12:16 <anthonysimon> Abi?
06:12:16 <abi> anthonysimon?
06:12:27 <anthonysimon> Abi, this is Butch
06:12:33 <anthonysimon> Butch, this is abi
06:12:37 <anthonysimon> Abi is a bot
06:12:44 <Butch321> hi abi
06:12:44 <abi> hey, Butch321
06:12:45 <anthonysimon> I very cool one
06:12:58 <anthonysimon> Watch this
06:13:06 <anthonysimon> abi, who is wizwoz?
06:13:06 <abi> wizwoz is a cheesehead
06:13:11 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:13:26 <anthonysimon> abi, who is DemonCowboy?
06:13:26 <abi> DemonCowboy is funny.
06:13:37 <anthonysimon> abi, who is Butch321?
06:13:38 <abi> Butch321 is HeroTCC
06:13:51 <anthonysimon> Abi is very snart
06:14:01 <anthonysimon> Abi, who am I?
06:14:01 <abi> anthonysimon is my master
06:14:06 <anthonysimon> )
06:14:09 <Butch321> LOL
06:14:23 <anthonysimon> abi, stats
06:14:23 <abi> Since Fri Jul 21 09:41:26 2000, there have been 34 modifications and 66 questions.  I have been awake for 1 day, 20 hours, 32 minutes, 57 seconds this session, and currently reference 27 factoids.
06:14:25 <Butch321> you got that programed wrong anthonysimon
06:14:37 <anthonysimon> Its not mine, LOL
06:14:44 <anthonysimon> I didn't program it
06:14:49 <anthonysimon> It was here
06:15:05 <anthonysimon> I msged it asking it the time and it started talking to me
06:15:16 <Butch321> hummm
06:15:18 <Butch321> kool
06:15:19 <anthonysimon> Abi, 7+6
06:15:19 <abi> 13
06:15:25 <anthonysimon> see?
06:15:35 <anthonysimon> Abi, 7*9+9-2/4?
06:15:35 <abi> 71.5
06:15:42 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:15:45 <Butch321> what are the  commands for it
06:16:03 <anthonysimon> Well mainly, she reconizes things in the form of:
06:16:06 <anthonysimon> x is y
06:16:17 <anthonysimon> Abi, Peanuts is Tofu
06:16:26 <anthonysimon> Then you can ask what something is
06:16:33 <anthonysimon> A, What is Peanuts?
06:16:41 <anthonysimon> Abi, What is peanuts?
06:16:42 <abi> peanuts is Tofu
06:16:50 <anthonysimon> (darn kb)
06:16:58 <Butch321> LOL
06:17:01 <anthonysimon> Abi, they keyboard is stupid
06:17:09 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is stupid?
06:17:10 <abi> anthonysimon: no idea
06:17:13 <anthonysimon> So
06:17:20 <anthonysimon> It dun work backwards
06:17:32 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is keyboard?
06:17:32 <abi> anthonysimon: i haven't a clue
06:17:40 <anthonysimon> Ugg
06:17:49 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is they keyboard
06:17:50 <abi> they keyboard is stupid
06:17:59 <anthonysimon> (spelled it wrong up there^^)
06:18:08 <Butch321> i see that
06:18:11 <anthonysimon> She can learn addy's too
06:18:19 <anthonysimon> Abi, where is Yahoo!?
06:18:19 <abi> wish i knew, anthonysimon
06:18:24 <anthonysimon> UGG
06:18:25 <Butch321> abi, who are you
06:18:25 <abi> i am I dunno.
06:18:32 <anthonysimon> ROFL
06:18:45 <Butch321> abi, what are you
06:18:45 <abi> i am I dunno.
06:18:57 <Butch321> LOL
06:19:02 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is cute?
06:19:02 <abi> cute is me
06:19:05 <anthonysimon> LOL
06:19:11 <Butch321> LOL anthonysimon
06:19:37 <anthonysimon> Abi?
06:19:37 <abi> yes, anthonysimon?
06:19:48 <Butch321> abi?
06:19:49 <abi> Butch321?
06:19:49 <anthonysimon> Abi, who is KatyTCC?
06:19:49 <abi> KatyTCC is very very very pretty :)
06:19:59 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:20:18 <Butch321> oh you got that right anthony
06:20:42 <Butch321> Beautiful is a better word for her :-)
06:21:44 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is katyTCC>
06:21:45 <abi> no idea, anthonysimon
06:21:50 <anthonysimon> oops
06:21:56 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is KatyTCC?
06:21:56 <abi> KatyTCC is BEE-UTE-TEE-FULL!!!
06:21:58 <Butch321> how do you get it to say what you want it to
06:22:08 <anthonysimon> Just tell it
06:22:19 <anthonysimon> Abi, Butch is nice
06:22:24 <anthonysimon> Abi, What is butch?
06:22:24 <abi> butch is nice
06:22:31 <Butch321> oh ok
06:22:31 <anthonysimon> see
06:22:32 <anthonysimon> ?
06:22:58 <Butch321> then why didnt i see you tell it to say Katy is Beautiful
06:23:04 <anthonysimon> Hehe
06:23:07 <anthonysimon> I did it in msg
06:23:29 <Butch321> oh ok wasnt sure if /msg worked with it
06:23:34 <anthonysimon> yup
06:23:44 <anthonysimon> In message it replies with "Gotcha!"
06:23:47 <anthonysimon> Try it
06:24:01 <Butch321> abi, what is your commands
06:24:01 <abi> no idea, butch321
06:24:11 <anthonysimon> abi, help
06:24:16 <anthonysimon> Uggh
06:24:21 <anthonysimon> She messages them to me
06:24:28 <Butch321> oh ok
06:24:32 <anthonysimon> Abi, tell butch to eat butter
06:24:36 <Butch321> abi, help
06:24:54 <anthonysimon> Abi, tell AnthonySimon1 to Go Boo
06:24:59 <anthonysimon> Ugg
06:25:04 <anthonysimon> She aint relaying
06:25:07 <anthonysimon> oh well
06:25:36 <Butch321> abi, help irc commands
06:25:49 <anthonysimon> Abi, MyTotal is 34+87
06:25:56 <anthonysimon> Abi, What is MyTotal?
06:25:56 <abi> MyTotal is 34+87
06:26:08 <anthonysimon> Abi, MyTotal?
06:26:08 <abi> MyTotal is 34+87
06:26:14 <anthonysimon> Abi, 34+87
06:26:15 <abi> 121
06:26:23 <anthonysimon> Good Girl
06:26:27 <Butch321> lol
06:26:32 <Butch321> this is kool
06:26:37 <anthonysimon> I know
06:26:46 <anthonysimon> Abi, you are cool
06:26:46 <abi> ...but abi is I dunno....
06:26:47 <Butch321> ill definatly have to come play with it
06:27:02 <anthonysimon> no, Abi, you are cool
06:27:11 <anthonysimon> Abi, what are you?
06:27:11 <abi> i am I dunno.
06:27:19 <anthonysimon> Abi, no, Abi is cool
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06:27:26 <anthonysimon> Abi what is Abi?
06:27:26 <abi> i am I dunno.
06:27:32 <anthonysimon> UGGH!
06:28:29 <anthonysimon> Do you love me??
06:28:31 <Butch321> thanks for bringing me here 
06:28:35 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is the answer?
06:28:35 <abi> the answer is "YES!!!"
06:28:41 <anthonysimon> Abi loves me
06:28:44 <anthonysimon> yw Butch
06:28:56 <anthonysimon> Abi, I love you
06:29:00 <Butch321> ill have to bring Katy here
06:29:05 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:29:07 <anthonysimon> cool
06:29:17 <anthonysimon> Most of the ppl here are dead, LOL
06:29:29 <anthonysimon> I haven't heard one peep out of any1 besides abi
06:29:45 <Butch321> they may be in 121
06:29:48 <anthonysimon> Abi, who am I?
06:29:48 <abi> anthonysimon is my master
06:29:56 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:29:59 <anthonysimon> could be
06:30:23 <Butch321> well i gota go see ya later
06:30:30 <anthonysimon> OK
06:30:30 <Butch321> and thanks aggain
06:30:37 <anthonysimon> Okies
06:30:44 <Butch321> hey have you been to Zuh net
06:30:49 <anthonysimon> Abi, say bye to butch!
06:30:53 <anthonysimon> Nope.
06:31:02 <anthonysimon> Never Heard of it
06:31:06 <Butch321> they have a bot on there to
06:31:16 <anthonysimon> Is it as cute as this?
06:31:21 <Butch321> simular to this oe
06:31:25 <anthonysimon> cool
06:31:30 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is cute?
06:31:30 <abi> cute is me
06:31:34 <anthonysimon> hehe
06:31:36 <anthonysimon> Ok
06:31:43 <anthonysimon> abi, hi
06:31:43 <abi> anthonysimon: hey
06:31:47 <anthonysimon> rofl
06:31:50 <Butch321> its not quit as cute but kool though
06:31:53 <anthonysimon> I'm gonna go back to TC now
06:32:02 <anthonysimon> LoL
06:32:04 <anthonysimon> k
06:32:09 <Butch321> abi. bye
06:32:14 <anthonysimon> abi, byw
06:32:15 <anthonysimon> bye^
06:32:22 <Butch321> see ya
06:32:23 <anthonysimon> abi, I love you
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06:32:27 <anthonysimon> abi, *kisses*
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06:55:53 <anthonysimon> Abi, Hi
06:55:53 <abi> anthonysimon: hey
06:56:02 <anthonysimon> Anyone AWAKE?????
06:56:36 <anthonysimon> Abi, Who is awake?
06:56:36 <abi> awake is No one
06:56:43 <anthonysimon> Ugg
06:57:09 <anthonysimon> Abi, awake?
06:57:10 <abi> !
06:57:18 <anthonysimon> Uh OK
06:57:59 <anthonysimon> Abi, I love you
06:57:59 <abi> I love you too, $nick
06:58:25 <anthonysimon> Abi, I love you
06:58:25 <abi> I love you too, $nic
06:58:33 <anthonysimon> Ugg
06:59:48 <anthonysimon> abi, Do you smell bacon?
06:59:48 <abi> mmm..... Bacon..
07:00:05 <anthonysimon> abi, wazzzup?
07:00:06 <abi> anthonysimon: wish i knew
07:00:11 <anthonysimon> rofl
07:01:06 <anthonysimon> Abi?
07:01:06 <abi> yes, anthonysimon?
07:01:11 <anthonysimon> I want a poem
07:01:18 <anthonysimon> Abi, I want a poem
07:01:19 <abi> Roses are red, Viloets are BLue, I wish I was alive, so I could hug you. :)
07:01:26 <anthonysimon> )
07:02:05 <anthonysimon> abi, what are you?
07:02:05 <abi> i am Very Cute!
07:02:14 <anthonysimon> lol
07:02:48 <anthonysimon> Abi, depart #tunes
07:02:48 <abi> goodbye, anthonysimon.
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07:02:52 <anthonysimon> Hmm
07:03:01 abi joined #tunes
07:03:05 <anthonysimon> Hehe
07:03:09 <anthonysimon> WB abi!
07:03:34 <anthonysimon> abi, join *
07:03:41 <anthonysimon> abi, join #*
07:03:52 <anthonysimon> abi, join #mactalk
07:05:03 <anthonysimon> abi, help guide
07:05:09 <anthonysimon> thank you abi
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07:08:10 <eihrul> uh?
07:08:13 <eihrul> what the hell was that?
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07:15:22 <anthonysimon> abi, hi!
07:15:31 <anthonysimon> abu, hi
07:15:35 <anthonysimon> abi
07:15:35 <abi> anthonysimon?
07:15:48 <anthonysimon> abi, I love you'
07:15:55 <anthonysimon> abi, I love you
07:15:56 <abi> I love you too. :-*
07:16:12 <anthonysimon> sushi is disgusting
07:16:17 <anthonysimon> abi, what is sushi?
07:16:17 <abi> anthonysimon: i don't know
07:16:24 <anthonysimon> abi, sushi is disgusting
07:16:33 <anthonysimon> abi, what is sushi?
07:16:33 <abi> sushi is disgusting
07:16:42 <anthonysimon> abi, sushi is also yucky
07:16:43 <abi> okay, anthonysimon.
07:16:50 <anthonysimon> abi, what is suhi?
07:16:50 <abi> anthonysimon: i don't know
07:16:58 <anthonysimon> abi, what is sushi?
07:16:58 <abi> sushi is disgusting or yucky
07:17:06 <anthonysimon> hehe
07:17:19 <anthonysimon> abi, karma on sushi
07:17:24 <eihrul> rmm?
07:17:29 <eihrul> what are you doing?
07:17:35 <anthonysimon> Talking to the bot
07:17:37 <eihrul> and why are you doing it in this channel?
07:17:51 <eihrul> if you wish to talk about something in this channel
07:18:03 <eihrul> could you *please* keep it in line with the topic? :)
07:18:39 <anthonysimon> abi, who is eihrul?
07:18:39 <abi> eihrul is a dude
07:18:44 <anthonysimon> rofl
07:18:46 <anthonysimon> ok
07:19:08 <eihrul> could you please lay off abi as well?
07:19:25 <anthonysimon> Abi is sooo cute!
07:19:33 <anthonysimon> Abi, what is cute?
07:19:33 <abi> cute is me
07:19:38 eihrul sighs.
07:19:44 <anthonysimon> FIne
07:19:47 <anthonysimon> I will hush
07:19:58 <eihrul> this is not #chat
07:20:13 anthonysimon hushes
07:20:18 <eihrul> what is your interest in TUNES?
07:20:34 <anthonysimon> I dunno.... I just come here to see abi
07:21:01 <eihrul> there's plenty of other more sophisticated bots to play with on OPN
07:21:13 <anthonysimon> But I dun care
07:21:16 <anthonysimon> I love abi!
07:21:36 <eihrul> look... we reserve abi strictly for information relevant to this channel
07:21:37 <anthonysimon> Abi, I love you
07:21:37 <abi> I love you too. :-*
07:22:01 <anthonysimon> *sigh*
07:22:36 <anthonysimon> Goodbye Abi
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09:22:42 <I440r> hi fare
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11:56:56 <moebious> heloo
11:57:01 <moebious> heloooo
11:58:08 <smklsmkl> ??
11:58:36 <moebious> is there any actuall code written for tunes?  
11:59:39 <smklsmkl> nothing useful
12:00:28 <moebious> do you understand how how this decentralised thing works?  IE, how is it orginised?
12:00:53 <smklsmkl> do you mean the nokernel design?
12:00:58 <moebious> Does the whole thing function like one program?
12:00:58 <moebious> yes
12:01:34 <moebious> functionS rather
12:01:56 <moebious> no wait, that was right :P
12:02:46 <smklsmkl> there was an explanation of nokernel that core wrote for clementine
12:03:08 <smklsmkl> i don't know where it is now though
12:03:29 <moebious> i'll find it.  I plan on reading a lot.
12:03:49 <smklsmkl> i think nokernel is a bit like linux modules but without the kernel
12:05:26 <smklsmkl> but i don't know much about OS design
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12:23:03 <moebious> "and skip without regret the paragraphs that be too hard to them." 
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12:25:31 <moebious> i'm reading the artical and metaprograming
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13:23:47 <anthonysimon> abi, hi
13:23:47 <abi> anthonysimon: hi
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14:01:18 <water> hi all
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14:06:32 <water> hey kyle
14:06:36 <Kyle_L> hello
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15:01:34 <smklsmkl> damn, www.cs.chalmers.se is still down
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16:19:41 <dec> list
16:21:17 <water> hi
16:21:36 <water> what brings you to #tunes?
16:23:40 <dec> k
16:23:55 <water> so what is it you wanted to know?
16:24:04 <dec> water, are you a bot?
16:24:08 <water> heh
16:24:15 <dec> k. just checking
16:24:16 <water> no
16:24:24 <water> abi and brianna are bots
16:24:25 <dec> well, I don't know what tunes is as such
16:24:31 <dec> but the idea sounds good.
16:24:36 <water> have you looked at the website much?
16:24:43 <water> (i.e. read the faq)
16:24:46 <dec> about languages that can self-relfect their construction, say
16:24:52 <dec> no. open in another window.
16:24:57 <water> k
16:25:10 <dec> I'm mostly interested in, um, ai stuff
16:25:21 <dec> but anything computational is interesting. 
16:25:22 <water> and you use *perl*? :)
16:25:27 <water> ok
16:25:37 <dec> really enjoyed hofstadter's book
16:25:41 <water> ewww
16:25:44 <dec> yeah, I work with perl
16:25:51 <water> sorry, i hate his works
16:25:59 <dec> ok. 
16:26:01 <water> it makes the real research look bad
16:26:15 <dec> well, I think that his approach is certainly novel
16:26:22 <water> btw, i am the Arrow guy (mentioned on the front page)
16:26:38 <water> yes, that's somewhat true
16:26:49 <dec> and if you're interested in a linguistic approach, I think a "novel" approach is allowed
16:26:50 <water> but then his work is now 20 years old
16:26:56 <dec> true.
16:27:08 <water> and he never was a good linguist
16:27:12 <dec> k
16:27:20 water studies languages both human and computational
16:27:25 <dec> I'm going to have to read up on this.
16:27:51 <water> hm unfortunatel abi is broken
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16:28:02 <water> abi keeps the info for the channel
16:28:04 <dec> actually, you can probably explain to me
16:28:10 <water> yes i probably could
16:28:14 <dec> what this whole tunes thing is, in a nutshell
16:28:28 <dec> I see stuff about code in CVS
16:28:37 <water> did you read the "what the hell is tunes?" faq?
16:28:39 <dec> and some links from a "reflections" page
16:28:46 <dec> ;-) 
16:28:57 <dec> no. but I saw something saying that #tunes could do with more people
16:29:25 <dec> I have found the faq. /-:
16:29:53 <water> geez my net access is screwed up again
16:30:02 <dec> mmm
16:30:07 <water> i guess i'll just have to work from memory ;)
16:30:15 <dec> I'm getting some picture of what tunes is...
16:30:25 <dec> but I just remembered another question...
16:30:33 <water> i've been re-reading the whole tunes site every month or so since about '95
16:30:34 <dec> bout what water means (duh!)
16:30:39 <water> oh
16:30:42 <dec> (wow)
16:30:44 <water> i'm a taoist
16:31:11 <dec> there was this character in a book I read once... _ORA:CLE_ it was called
16:31:12 <water> and i know as much about tunes as Fare
16:31:15 <dec> (ah)
16:31:45 <dec> I have my own ideas about reflection...
16:31:54 <water> there is not much code for tunes yet, most of it is in HLL prototypes
16:31:59 <water> i'm sure you do
16:32:19 <water> keep in mind, a lot of people come here with their own ideas about whatever
16:32:24 <dec> quaternary logic, map-colouring genetic/cellular algorighthm
16:32:58 <dec> Is there a set of core programs or whatnot available?
16:33:14 <water> lol
16:33:15 <dec> Is it something I can figure out by playing with, I mean
16:33:30 <water> ok i think you need to learn more about what tunes is supposed to be
16:33:36 <dec> or is it all very abstract at the mo? (I see "when will it be available...")
16:33:55 <dec> yeah, suppose you're right... (shame on me)
16:33:59 <water> now wait
16:34:25 <water> there are languages with environments that have some properties of tunes
16:34:49 <water> like lisp and smalltalk
16:35:45 <water> but right now the work is in a language we designed after the HLL description
16:36:07 <dec> what are the primitive "operators" like in the language?
16:36:15 <water> hehe
16:36:36 <water> according to the HLL pages, under "semantics" and "quotienting", ....
16:36:38 <dec> can you express counterfactuals in a nice way, for example? ...
16:36:51 <water> what is primitive and what is derived is a matter of notation
16:37:07 <water> "counterfactual Is" ????
16:38:23 <dec> k. I'm thinking about, say, bots that can reason about things that aren't just actual bits of data, but to be able to represent possible structure just as easily.
16:38:42 <dec> counterfactual is something that's not [f]actual.
16:38:44 <water> like an infinite set?
16:39:20 <dec> yes, but there are denumerable and non-denumerable infinite sets :-(
16:39:29 <water> yeah i know
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16:39:36 <water> so what are you talking about?
16:40:06 <water> in a computer, there's nothing relevant to a "fact" notion, so the distinction you make is meaningless
16:41:18 <dec> ok, I was saying about quaternary logic...
16:41:27 <water> oops... the thing about quotienting is under "requirements", not "semantics"
16:41:41 <water> the logic of quaternions? :)
16:41:50 <dec> in a way, yes.
16:41:54 <water> heh
16:42:00 <dec> there's a mathematics of quaternions
16:42:01 <water> in that case, arrow logic :)
16:42:12 <dec> in that case...
16:42:23 <dec> A good construction (sorry, aside)
16:42:39 <dec> ok, what I'm thinking of about counterfactuals...
16:42:42 <water> sorry dude i don't have much time
16:42:53 <dec> ok. sorry. I'll go read up on this.
16:43:01 <water> please do
16:43:04 <dec> I'm just babbling on I'm afraid.
16:43:07 <water> read on lisp's macros
16:43:07 <dec> ok.
16:43:21 <water> or the Art of the Meta-Object Protocol
16:43:26 <water> (a book)
16:43:40 <water> or the Structure and Implementation of Computer Programs
16:43:47 <water> (another book)
16:44:09 <dec> ok.
16:44:40 <dec> dl'ing the ArrowPhilosophy file
16:44:46 <water> heh
16:44:54 <water> that paper is not yet finished
16:45:15 <dec> the faq wasn't heavy on exactly what the form of the language was
16:45:20 <water> and i've learned a hell of a lot more since i wrote that
16:45:34 <water> that's because we haven't firmly decided on it
16:45:41 <water> take a look at Slate
16:46:08 <dec> Slate? ...
16:46:25 <water> the HLL prototype i and eihrul are developing
16:46:37 <water> it's also the way i intend to implement arrow
16:46:52 <water> (arrow is a superset of tunes)
16:47:10 <dec> You being a taoist, does that influence your way of looking at computers?
16:47:18 <dec> if it's not o-t
16:47:18 <water> of course
16:47:39 <dec> I'd have thought it incompatible
16:47:47 <water> hehe
16:47:57 <water> it's incompatible with the way most people think of computers
16:48:08 <water> and the languages they use :)
16:48:12 <dec> mmm
16:48:26 <dec> I'd class myself as a buddist
16:49:09 <dec> still, though, computers are just another aspect of life really
16:49:19 <water> maybe
16:49:30 <dec> neway, I'm going back to that paper...
16:50:06 <water> ok
16:50:08 <dec> you heard of the theory of possible worlds?
16:50:14 <water> of course
16:50:23 <water> in fact, definitely
16:50:24 <dec> mmm... I ran across it by accident
16:50:37 <water> i have books on multi-modal logic
16:50:58 <water> which is a deep stab into formal theories of them that relate to computation and linguistics
16:52:38 <water> and, yes, arrow involves such ideas
16:53:22 <dec> I have some ideas of my own that the word arrow conjures
16:53:31 <dec> ... a notation for modelling systems
16:53:36 <water> again, i'm sure you do
16:53:42 <water> )
16:53:48 <dec> everything is simple... just a node
16:53:52 <water> )
16:54:00 <water> well, arrow has no nodes :)
16:54:02 <dec> in fact, just a connection map
16:54:19 <water> i don't know if i like the connection metaphor per se
16:54:22 <dec> with four arrow relationships (no heads, one head, and double-headed)
16:54:39 <water> perhaps
16:54:48 <dec> but the fourth arrow coming from a node is more like a "thread"
16:54:59 <dec> and so can be used for set operations or execution threads
16:55:00 <water> i think you should read the paper
16:55:24 <water> and tell me what you think when i get back in a few hours
16:55:37 <water> or mail me at water@tunes.org
16:55:38 <dec> k. When I think of reflection, I think of a <-> 
16:55:43 <dec> ok. I'll do that. 
16:55:43 <water> bah
16:55:52 <water> reflection is not some simple single concept
16:55:57 <dec> chances are I'll be asleep. I'll check later
16:56:02 <water> hm
16:56:05 <dec> no, reflection is not a simple concept
16:56:05 <water> oh well
16:56:14 <water> bye
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16:56:17 <dec> you need systems to support it...
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19:54:14 <witten> heheh
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20:42:03 <water> re all
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