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15:17:14 <Fare> http://www.mikro.org/
15:17:25 <Fare> http://www.research.ibm.com/sawmill/
15:17:51 <Fare> my collection of random papers is at ftp://Samaris.tunes.org/pub/food/papers/
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15:21:10 <washort> Fare: i'm considering writing a short essay on how software design hasn't been changed by free-software development methods and how those methods allow for improvement in design practicves (namely, metaprogramming)
15:22:07 <Fare> be sure to cite my mpfas article :)
15:22:18 <washort> Fare: i'm hoping to aim it at J Random Open-Source-Coder. do you think there's any chance that it can be understood? i 've been rtying to get ppl to read your mpfas paper but it is somewhat difficult if you're not prepared for it :)
15:22:30 <washort> Fare: you bet. ;)
15:23:04 <washort> i'm hoping for something in the way of a 'gentle introduction'
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15:24:11 <washort> i started by tryin got think of ways that freely available source has influenced design, and my conclusion has been that it mostly hasn't
15:24:19 <washort> which was somewhat troubling. ;)
15:24:57 <lar1> What is mpfas?
15:25:10 <Fare> well, it's no wonder that the winning teams of ICFP have deep familiarity of the implementations they use.
15:25:31 <Fare> darn, where's abi when we need her?
15:25:55 <Fare> http://fare.tunes.org/articles/ll99/
15:26:08 <washort> Fare: Hmm... i hadn;t thought of that
15:26:47 <washort> i was thinking more alonng the lines of "this system is useless (or less useful) if the source is not available"
15:26:57 <washort> which can only be metaprogramming, really
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