01:10:08 [QUIT] air quit: http://www.qzx.com/ :: sleep 17:18:08 Brianna joined #tunes 18:12:24 [QUIT] Aardappel quit: Ping timeout for Aardappel[ipd54b5c57.free.wxs.nl] 18:14:41 lar1 joined #tunes 18:23:31 eihrul joined #tunes 18:30:20 [QUIT] morton quit: Read error to morton[freenet.nether.net]: EOF from client 19:04:22 smkl joined #tunes 20:26:34 Asnart joined #tunes 20:26:40 hello 20:30:19 hello eihrul? nate37? anybody? 20:45:18 ? 20:45:23 heh 20:45:27 what? 20:45:33 you both come back at the same time? 20:47:58 eihrul or nate, could you name some languages that I should learn to help me with os dev, theory, dolphin, tunes, etc.. (i've learned asm recently) 20:50:14 how about computer architecture? 20:50:30 ?? x86 asm 20:51:42 general architecure stuff 20:52:04 i don't know what you mean.. 20:53:08 um, if you were coding in asm, what virtual processor would you target? 20:53:17 whatchoo mean 20:53:25 i'd prefer to write asm for the mips processor 20:53:37 why mips? 20:53:48 is it easy to write a translator for mips to x86? 20:56:39 [QUIT] ink_ quit: Read error: 1.414213562 (Excessive square root of 2) 21:07:08 assembly isn't going to teach you shit 21:07:35 or atleast not until you have a grounding in other stuff first 21:08:14 nate37 nods 21:08:19 take a look at Haskell or Smalltalk or Common Lisp or something like that :) 21:08:26 should keep you occupied for quite a while 21:09:46 well, i tend to learn languages while trying to make something useful.... can i make something useful for windoze/dos using one of those languages? 21:10:01 i.e: is there a compiler for windoze/dos with those languages? 21:10:44 Smalltalk will run on windows 21:10:53 Common Lisp has Corman Common Lisp for windows 21:11:00 Haskell, well, i have not a clue about windows 21:11:28 making something useful only helps you learn specific stuff 21:11:31 not in the broad sense 21:11:38 ) 21:11:58 given that i'm only familiar with pascal, c, asm, what is special about these languages? how are they different? 21:12:40 find out yourself 21:12:45 ) 21:12:57 heh.. i prefer to take the route of least resistence 21:13:07 == lazy 21:15:40 grrr.. i just need a lousy oneliner to make a broad sterotypical statement about Smalltalk or Lisp or Squeak to give me a false enlightenment about the difference or superiority of those languages over the languages that I already know 21:16:39 smalltalk-80 == object oritened interface, usually encapsuled in a graphical programming enivroment 21:16:51 (squeak is a smalltalk-80 implementation 21:16:53 ) 21:16:59 well no 21:17:02 oops 21:18:43 ult: hmm? 21:19:30 [QUIT] ink quit: [x]chat 21:20:19 [QUIT] ink_ quit: BitchX: the fizzle goes straight to your brain! 21:21:07 c++ == object oriented, can be written in rhide/emacs(graphical environment) 21:21:14 what gross errors am i making 21:21:18 heh 21:21:36 not fully object oriented.. 21:21:44 and it doesn't really work that way :) 21:21:52 just play with squeak, you'll figure it out 21:22:54 i'm downloading it as i speak.. 72% so far, whee! 21:24:08 nope 21:24:11 not even comparable 21:24:34 smalltalk is dynamic, to some degree reflective, very clean, very consistent, very concise, very flexible 21:25:05 haskell is just... powerful, but in some ways inflexible, but really really powerful 21:25:27 common lisp is equally powerful but in some ways cumbersome 21:25:50 but, deriving this power from meta-programming rather than intrinsic language features :) 21:27:06 so it all comes back to the small language, smalltalk heh 21:27:26 eh? 21:27:48 each of the languages is infinitely different 21:28:05 and each of them is pretty powerful, way moreso than any of the languages you listed as knowing, in their own right 21:28:21 with my favor falling on haskell and common lisp for most part :) 21:28:22 eihrul he demands to know in a paragraph what takes books to discuss 21:28:43 heh 21:28:43 heh 21:30:21 so what, the first paragraph can be the most enlightening paragraph 21:32:23 bye bye, downloaded squeak 21:32:30 [QUIT] Asnart quit: squeaking by 21:36:22 [QUIT] pratap quit: s/l8r/later 22:19:23 [QUIT] eihrul quit: Leaving 22:42:12 [QUIT] air quit: http://www.qzx.com/ :: sleep 22:55:22 [QUIT] lar1 quit: 23:36:00 [QUIT] washort quit: Ping timeout for washort[131.204.216.12] 23:40:43 [QUIT] washort quit: Ping timeout for washort[131.204.216.12] 23:41:08 [QUIT] washort quit: Read error to washort[131.204.216.12]: Connection reset by peer 23:52:24 [QUIT] washort quit: Ping timeout for washort[131.204.216.12] 00:19:25 [QUIT] washort quit: Ping timeout for washort[131.204.216.12]