IRC log started Sat Jan 23 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0123 ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (hcf) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω Torien [barf@slmlb9p09.ozemail.com.au] has joined #tunes Hi.. ωνω Torien [barf@slmlb9p09.ozemail.com.au] has left #tunes [] 02:50am ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lcn3f.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes ωνω SignOff ultima_: #TUNES (ircII EPIC4pre2 -- Accept no limitations) ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes hoy Tril ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) 08:30am ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lcmug.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes Hey! 09:20am -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Open Projects Net is expanding, with the assistance of VA Research and various folk in the community. We need web authoring and administrative skills. Please come see us on #OpenProjects with resume and references inside and outside the community. We need your help, and you can get the satisfaction of helping the community! -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Thanks to everyone so far for their excellent response! If you're interested in helping with the expansion, please email your resume and references to resume@openprojects.net. Thanks again! ωνω smkl [sami@ppp17.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] It's been noted that I should make it clear that this is volunteer work, in support of the Open Source community! :) Apologies for not being more specific, and thanks again for the response, everyone. :) *back to background mode* ωνω Beholder [beholder@ppp-092.m2-2.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes ωνω Beholder [beholder@ppp-092.m2-2.sub.ican.net] has left #tunes [] ωνω lee [lee@usr3-ppp49.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes ωνω lee [lee@usr3-ppp49.lvdi.net] has left #tunes [] ωνω SignOff ultima_: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ultima_[user-38lcmug.dialup.mindspring.com]) !services1.openprojects.net!! Warning: unable to set modes on channel #hklug. Are your servers' U:lines configured correctly? ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lcmve.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lcmve.dialup.mindspring.com] has left #Tunes [] ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-38lcmve.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ....) !lilo:*! Hi all. Apologies for the momentary service problem, it should be resolved in just a bit. !lilo:*! compile in process, I should have this fixed in a moment (will need to reup herbert though) why? ok 01:50pm ωνω NetSplit: devlin.openprojects.net split from asimov.openprojects.net [02:14pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [devlin.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: devlin.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.ml.org] by asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from norton.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is norton.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.03.lagtime.desynch3.indent8.dead.whox2.zombie (from norton.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat May 9 1998 at 12 28:25 PDT(from norton.openprojects.net) ωνω norton.openprojects.net u2.10.03.lagtime.desynch3.indent8.dead.whox2.zombie dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(7)] 3% ωνω [global users on irc(84)] 38% ωνω [invisible users on irc(136)] 62% ωνω [ircops on irc(13)] 6% ωνω [total users on irc(220)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(28)] (avg. 7 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(62)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !norton.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 12 (10 clients) ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:5)] [ TUNES ] [ Tril ] [ abi ] [ hcf ] [ _QZ ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Wed Dec 30 09:08:43 1998 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.180 secs!! 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ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250103.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hoy tcn holy crap. You're the first person to say anything today. X is slow in 32 bpp hehe.. xterm reminds me of an old 8086 05:00pm ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes hey fare, I was just about to leave ωνω tcn is now known as tcn_ ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250103.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff tcn_: #TUNES (shutting down X) gakuk I'm just passing by just in case any news? I debugged my OS :) Now I'm gonna go write driver modules for your OS? what's it doing? π Fare/#Tunes feels a lot of redundancy in efforts... yeah. I desperately need keyboard input :) keyboard is *very* tricky! I recommend you just copy the linux way or so, because growing your own code will be very hard (I have some bad experience with it) I know it's redundant, but I need the practice. I can always look at clementine or linux the keyboard code in clementine works or not, depending on the machine. Various changes make different machines work, and others fail :( :( say, Allegro has good keyboard routines.. it does the usual stream input, plus it lets you query any key to see if it's down, for games. I shall copy Allegro heh, I just realized why hardware ints weren't working. The 8259 init code I copied masked them all off! wtf has ultima done??? removed pages *before* to replace them! Fuck him! what pages? review? yes! WTF? WTF is probably this crap I'm gonna put'em back yeah, by all means if he does another like that, I strangle him! Let's just spiff up the main page, so it looks nice for passers-by. If they look at the details, they should be impressed by the enormous volume of content :) 05:10pm he kept the pages in old/ hum. Still, not good enough. I'll send a gripe!!! For images, what do you say we put ALT="" ? what the hell, he signed http://www.tunes.org/Review/index.html w/ his real name i know of only ultima, no Marc Santoro hehe, "we don't have the new pages yet, but here are the old ones." Thanks for telling me that :) looks great on lynx ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-37kb8dq.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes Hello niihau, ultima_ hey π ultima_/#tunes bows Hows it going? We were just talking about you Cool good things I hope uhhh nothing terrible ok what's with the new review pages? tcn: Well, I put up a stub html yeah, but where are the new ones? tcn: I'm slowly adding entries, sometime tomarrow evening I'm going to put up a preliminary release with some of the entries in it, just to get feedback tcn: Right now there is no set 'look and feel', I've tried to make it look like a simple book ultima_: perhaps u should use /new instead of putting up a stub and putting the others in /old hcf: Well, the reason I did /old was because I backed /old up in cvs 05:20pm ultima: are you going to fix the pages AT ONCE? Fare; Sure I just sent a gripe to you with a Cc: to the Tunes project... I'm putting my FAQ-in-progress up, http://www2.tunes.org/~tcn/faq.html dangit fre does anyone know how to make business cards with free software only? tcn: uhm, www not www2 oh I hacked my own with LaTeX, but had to do a lot of (ugly) manual cut and paste (and also I had to make a 65% reduction photocopy) hcf: keep it www2 bespin isn't meant to stay www all life long www is mirrored, right? tcn: not really www used to be sweety, but I'm moving away from it tcn: faq.html not found bespin=www2, www=sweety? hcf: in a minute :) ultima: using .html instead of .phtml is also a *very* bad move! tcn: now both are bespin Fare: Why? Fare: What is .phtml supposed to be for? tcn: sweety has terrible downtime! try telnet sweety... Fare: what's ur opinion of weblint? hcf: Ok, faq is up hcf: what about it? Fare; Hello? Whats .phtml ultima: come on! 05:30pm Fare: do u recomend it? Fare: come on? or is something else better ultima: next time, don't put your shit w/o learning the rules! if you read the way the Makefiles are done, .phtml allows html stuff to be preprocessed plain .html is copied as is the current preprocessor is cat but meant to change in a near future Fare:Uhhh how near is near? π Fare/#Tunes is upset about the ultima way hcf: depends on YOU Fare: Considering I havent even been informed that there *was* a makefile system in place, I think its pretty dumb of you to start demanding things ultima: UTSL! ultima: damn it! ultima: have you EVER seen a program without a makefile system or such? ultima: ignorance is no excuse. Fare: Sigh. I am not using some extravagant tunes makefile system. I am using my own makefiles as I see fit, because they are what best serves my purpose. you're meant to learn by yourself or to ask, before you BREAK things Fare: What was broken hmm? the CVS archive you've messed it Check out http://www2.tunes.org/~tcn ... I'll be back in a bit ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) fare: How was that? I've been using CVS for over a year. And it seemed to be working perfectly even on bespin you've introduced lots of shit in the current CVS tree, that'll have to be fixed, and will void the data of incremental changes between what was before and what will be after things are fixed. Fare: Uh, wtf are you talking about well, sure, in this case, there mightn't be that much damage, but the very attitude of "let's ignore anything that is, and too bad if it breaks anything" is no good for a cooperative project. Fare: What the hell are you talking about well, I guess I'm being overly upset your making no sense whatsoever I talking about CONTINUITY OF SERVICE about TRACKING INCREMENTAL CHANGES perhaps we need a set of tunes website developers guidelines about STRIVING TOWARDS A HOMOGENEOUS PROJECT rather than gratuitously introducing discrepancies in the Makefile style Fare: And what if I am not using makefiles 05:40pm about READING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO before to do otherwise, and if you choose to do otherwise, then do it for good reasons. Fare: And, what do other people do? ultima: you MUST integrate in the make process, even if the make file is only invoking a script of yours! Fare: Whine and moan when someone else introduces a different method of delivery? Fare: Why must I? ultima: because when I type "make" from $TUNES, everything must be made, that's why I don't want to read the INSTALL file of every subdirectory to see what the subproject maintainer wants me to do Fare: Thats aweful arrogant of yourself not of MYSELF. EVERYONE who untars tunes must be able to type "make" and have everything done right Fare: Because the whole point of maintaining a subsection is being the one who modifies when its necessary without having to read tons of INSTALL that doesn't discharge you from the necessity to integrate into the whole Fare cd /usr/man/man3 and type make you MAY use your own Makefiles, they must STILL be integrated in the general make process ultima: you obviously didn't even listen to what I said. Fare: I did, and you made no sens ok, so I must make a README.contribute in tunes/ ? ok! or must it be a GUIDELINES? or must it be in the html docs? Why dont you just make WHY_FARE_HAS_A_STICK_UP_HIS_ASS? π ultima_/#tunes sighs π ultima_/#tunes attempts to cool off ultima: enter tunes/ , and read INSTALL fare: Why dont you make a INSTALL on where tunes/ is? because theres about 5 tunes/ directories that have nothing to do with eachother there is already a tunes/INSTALL just one, and so should it be only one. read it. Fare...question, why are you distributing documentation as it was a program think about it to install tunes and all docs, there are 3 steps: make config make make install documentation IS a program! Fare: But they wont be able to rebuild this anyway! of course they will. Fare: All the information is kept in a SQL database. The whole point was that they would be getting .tex files until you broke everything, they could! I could, everyone could! if you want them to be able to build .tex into shit, thats fine and a cron job did every night on bespin! if the pages can't be built from pristine tunes.tar.bz2, then something is broken. and YOU broke it! 05:50pm Fare, my point is, the pages are not built by the makefiles the pages are built from a SQL database and unless you are intent on distributing a SQL database, it seems rather meaningless to use makefiles ultima: then you're doing something WRONG Fare: Alright then. You want me to tar up the complete SQL database and stick it in tunes whatever is in the tunes CVS *should* be human-modifiable editable source if you MUST use a SQL database and stuff, it SHOULDN'T be in CVS Fare: Exactly! put it on another directory on bespin, and modify the apache configuration to point to it Fare: I never was planning on putting it in the CVS in any case, you MUSTN'T break havok in the CVS Fare: The CVS is going to contain .tex/.pdf/.html machine generated files they WHY THE HELL DID YOU BREAK WHAT WAS IN THE CVS???? s/they/then/ Fare I NEVER BROKE THE CVS YOU DID, BUMMER! Hell, I never even deleted the makefile so HOW CAN YOU SAY I BROKE IT? Considering the makefile there is just a stub anyway Fare: hell, CVS was even properly updated. You could still make a tarball and get a usable review project! Fare: Please, PLEASE, explain to me how I broke cvs! ultima: cd tunes ; make config ; make ; make install --> doesn't regenerate the pages from source! Fare: WHAT SOURCE?! are you dumb, or what? the .phtml is source! Not for long! still it is, and will remain until you ACTUALLY HAVE something to replace. Wait a damn minute your not whining about the lack of a Makefile in the old/ directory are you?? You MUSTN'T *EVER* *EVER* *EVER* break something *BEFORE* you have *already* replaced it with something better. Dear god I think you are Fare, quesiton, what is the point of .phtml? your using the makefile to process the .phtml, right? repeat after me: "I will never ever ever break anything unless I already have something better to replace it" 06:00pm and replacement should be as atomic as possible. Fare will never ever ever break anything unless he already has something better to replace it =) the Makefile processes the .phtml indeed Fare...design flaw what happens to the .phtml after it gets processed? and moving things to old/ breaks the CVS tracking system, too where do you save the output? Fare: I used cvs to move things to old/ CVS won't guess that files were moved Fare: checkit...cvs checkout Review will generate a tree identical to the way it was before Fare whats the correct build directory what files should I be editing and commiting from because theres like 3 trees with similar files in them /serv/tunes/tunes/src ? there is only one tree! it's ~tunes/tunes/ and what's under it er no only ONE tree theres quite a few tunes/ directories under /serv nope there is only one copy of the CVS it's $CVSROOT/tunes/ and that's all when someone follows the instructions on collaboration.html#CVS, one should get correct sources whence to build everything why the HELL did you modify ANYTHING in the CVS, since you're not going to add to it, anyway??? cvs checkout Review tells me my files are no more pertinent! when a newbie will cvs checkout Review, he won't have *anything* of the review Fare: Uh, yes he will technically, you erased the revecvs checkout: Updating tunes/src/Review/old cvs checkout: failed to create lock directory in repository `/usr/local/lib/cvs/rep1/tunes/src/Review/old': Permission denied cvs checkout: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/usr/local/lib/cvs/rep1/tunes/src/Review/old' cvs [checkout aborted]: read lock failed - giving up you fucked it up! Fare: Actually, no for no valid reason! Fare: Maybe you should go learn about how cvs works whatever you did to CVS, someone makeing a checkout NOW will get crap under Review/ 06:10pm Fare there, I reverted CVS, are you happy? mucho better why the new/ stuff? just modify the index.phtml put something ahead of the current text and you're done Well, thats just a stub, cvs stuck it in there. Since your so paranoid, I figured it'd be better to make sure people like the new review before I replace the old one with it you do NOT need any new/, since what you're doing won't go in CVS Fare: actually, I'm going to put the .ps/.dvi/.tex/.pdf/.html files into CVS what you're going to do will be on a separate page, on a separate distribution I don't think these should be in the CVS That way incremential updates would be much smoother CVS is for source only (Actually, .tex and .html are the only ones autogenerated...) ultima_: .pl/.dvi/.tex/.pdf/.html ? all that bloat? s/pl/ps/ (So if they had TeX and pdfTeX and stuff they could gen the rest via Makefile) if you're to distribute these, put them in a .tar.bz2 somewhere, outside of the CVS (I'm sure that'd keep Fare happy ;) ultima_: error: unbalanced ( Hmm, does anyone have experience with latex2html? of course, that's to be discussed for plain text (no graphics, no special symbols), hevea looks better hevea? I havent messed with that Fare: Right now the pdf version looks the best, the html generator does a table of contents and data, but no fancy hyperlinked index or anything see around http://caml.inria.fr for hevea (rpm available) Fare: Thats caml stuff ultima: so what? hevea is written in caml! ggggggggh is there a way to convert pdf to html with a decent quality? anyway it's in ftp.inria.fr/INRIA/Projects/para/luc.maranget/ I know adobe supposedly does it for free with a cgi thing (or something like that) Isn't PDF a proprietary format? Fare: uh, no it isnt PDF is a public format ok, so it's fine. 06:20pm Fare: I am thinking I could always use that adobe site for now thats not a problem I thought that Adobe had added stuff in it to lock users into using Distiller or such Fare: Heck no Fare the whole point of pdf was to be portable and open standard I didn't hear the word "open" from adobe. maybe they added it recently Fare *shrug* well there are many freeware opensource programs that can read and write pdf ok, well, fine, let's move on another subject will you remove that new/ and its lock? Fare: r u gonna answer my weblint question? hcf: sorry, what was the question? shall we use it? sure. Fare: what's ur opinion of weblint? or is something else better? now, don't forget that any systematic header/footer/etc should better be done thru preprocessing hcf: I haven't tested weblint and its rivals much π ultima_/#tunes sighs ultima: so that we test your pages, put them in ~ultima/Review/ ultima: when you're satisfied, we'll get apache to point ~tunes/Review/ to it! Fare, why dont you want .tex in CVS? ultima: because I'm not sure there's any point in it Fare oh ? how so however, your build tools would be welcome in the CVS. and perhaps a reversible text dump of the SQL database. (if usefully diff'able) Fare the problem is there are too many sql daemons and not many people have one installed complete with usernames and passwords and stuff distributing sql source is suboptimal tex source however would work perfectly 06:30pm uh? don't put usernames and passwords in the CVS er thats not what I said unless they are anonymous read-only accesses they would need to have a SQL server on their machine set up with a tunes login and password no, they wouldn't in order to use the database they could access a remote one. and even if they needn't, then so what? s/needn't/needed one/ -^lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to be moving some servers in order to do upgrades. Details will be found on wall messages (/umode +w). Thanks for your patience. make config would notice they don't have one, issue a warning, and not generate targets for that. !^lilo:*! time to move asimov, gisbon, asprin, dickson, fontana and bear, hopefully to carter !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT asimov.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT gibson.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT asprin.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT dickson.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !Teknix:*! go lilo, go! ;) !netgod:*! go lilo get busy !^lilo:*! hehe thanks :) !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT fontana.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !carter.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT bear.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo !wichert:*! holy crap dud! !^lilo:*! probably should have moved them to koontz, but I guess carter will do Fare: whats ur opinion of handling (or not handling) 404s (file not found errors)? again, if the data can't usefully be on CVS, then don't put it there but the metadata (code, etc) is still welcome on CVS, even then. hcf: what kind of opinion do you want? and What errors are you talking about? like, stale links in the Tunes Revie pages and such? yeah, dead tunes-site links ωνω NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [06:37pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω ultima_ [ultima@user-37kb8dq.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes well, warn whoever's in charge about that ωνω NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [06:37pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] maybe put in every directory a .maintainer with the e-mail address; when an error is found, go up the directory until a .maintainer is found, and tell him or something like that ωνω Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes that sucked yes, we need a generic way of dealing w/ 404s like a FileNotFound.html perhaps, that would insert info from .maintainer or something like that !lilo:*! mission accomplished on varley, thanks all! >>> hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] requested PING 917145538 from TUNES 06:40pm -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Mission accomplished on varley, thanks all! :) !lilo:*! grrr, meant to wall that !netgod:*! now we need T-shirts -- "i surived the reconfiguration of '99" !lilo:*! well, it's actually only begun :) Fare: did u get that? s/that/those 3 lines from me/ !lilo:*! sterling next I think, then we can use it to hub some stuff while we do the rest !spice_:*! Hiya lilo :) !spice_:*! you destroying the network ?? at my school, a optional daemon would warn people about stale links at their site. !Teknix:*! oh sure.. use me for the dirty work.. ;) what daemon is this? also about stale links that pointed at their sites (if someone with a "nice" browser would contact apache with a stale page address) some cron-launched script doing weblint or such !lilo:*! spice: just updating the servers so that source code on ftp site == source code on servers :) oic !lilo:*! Teknix: but, but, *stammers* !netgod:*! not enough bandwidth on your T3s, Teknix? :-) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes wb abi abi: what is the meaning of life? i think the meaning of life is 42! !Teknix:*! nevermind, carry on ;) !lilo:*! Teknix....we single-bind on your server, don't we? !lilo:*! netgod: were there any special patches for his server, or was it just a straight compile? !Teknix:*! uhm.. maybe? I think it's assigned to the one IP address. I don't know if netgod opened up port 8000 or not !lilo:*! we are probably binding to the same selection of ports, and I think just one ip !netgod:*! no patches, just std virtualhosting !Teknix:*! yeah, it's sterling's ip ultima: still here? he's split from me !lilo:*! Teknix: we could probably have done a bind-all, but I try to use bind-single whenever possible !lilo:*! i.e., virt hosting !lilo:*! recompiling the nonvirt for linux glibc, then I'll relocate everything to sterling and do the compiles there 06:50pm !lilo:*! probably should compile with or without virt hosting just for completeness !lilo:*! I'm trying to make sure we have a good selection of binaries !netgod:*! probably should be runtime configurable, but thats another problem for another day !lilo:*! *nod* netgod !Teknix:*! please compile mine with virt on for just the sterling ip !lilo:*! I figured we would just use virt on for you, but it won't hurt to have a solaris without virt compiled too !lilo:*! I'll make sure I sort 'em out properly though :) !Teknix:*! i understand... ::wonders how many people here run solaris x86:: !lilo:*! Teknix: also, let me know when you need access to the main dancer accounts to do performance stuff and we'll set you up (while my mind is mostly working :) !Teknix:*! ok.. now isn't the time.. but I'll let you know :) hcf: do you know CVS well? !wichert:*! not to be annoying, but could you guys please discuss this on #openprojects ? !lilo:*! wichert okay, okay :) !wichert:*! right now my text is scrolling away :( nope ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (bbl) 07:00pm ωνω halfLIGHT [sacred@whx-ca2-04.ix.netcom.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω halfLIGHT [sacred@whx-ca2-04.ix.netcom.com] has left #TUNES [] π _QZ/#tunes is GONE ( paintballing ) ωνω jdl [jiml@ultra1.inconnect.com] has joined #tunes Howdy, folks ωνω ultima [ultima@user-38lc626.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes Hi, ultima hi.. ωνω ultima is now known as ultima_ Lights are on, but nobody's home. ;) ωνω SignOff jdl: #TUNES (Leaving) 07:40pm ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250082.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes >>> tcn [tcn@cci-209150250082.clarityconnect.net] requested PING 917150731 574725 from #tunes ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ultima_: u here? barely do u handle the event of links being mia/dead? 08:30pm goodnight hcf: The event of links being mia/dead? 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