IRC log started Thu Feb 11 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0211 ωνω SignOff nervwreck: #TUNES (Ping timeout for nervwreck[ouppp100.modems.ou.edu]) ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω Nickname [E-Mail@msn55tc5.gdinet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω Nickname [E-Mail@msn55tc5.gdinet.com] has left #tunes [] ωνω SignOff dino: #TUNES (Ping timeout for dino[pm-ppp31.triton.net]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω NetSplit: zsoldos.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [02:32am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [zsoldos.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: zsoldos.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #tunes ωνω skumle [pre-EPIC@p438-107.ppp.get2net.dk] has joined #TUNES ωνω skumle [pre-EPIC@p438-107.ppp.get2net.dk] has left #TUNES [] ωνω NetSplit: zsoldos.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [02:39am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [zsoldos.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: zsoldos.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #tunes ωνω NetSplit: zsoldos.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [02:45am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [zsoldos.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: zsoldos.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #tunes ωνω ah63 [ah63@nt-spc3.mcs.le.ac.uk] has joined #tunes hello hoy, ah63 I'm very new to linux I got my linux account only yesterday ωνω SignOff ah63: #TUNES (Leaving) 03:50am ωνω Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System - http://www.tunes.org/ ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes privet salut 06:00am ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes hum 07:00am ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes hum. I love J. McCarthy! 10:00am ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω KeLp [kelp@feynman.physics.wwu.EDU] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (Ping timeout for KeLp[feynman.physics.wwu.EDU]) ωνω Kor [kor@pm-ppp8.triton.net] has joined #tunes alo :) Kor: hi hey, yery abi yes, yery? hi :) 01:20pm have you all read about http://www.starbridgesystems.com/? Kor: no yery: its very cool, they are using an array of FPGAs with an OS/Language designed just for an array of FPGs and they clain to have built the fastest computer in the world, and they have some proof... I think tunes should be structured around dynamic hardware, Xilinx FPGAs shouldnt be too expensive later this year I wouldnt mind a tera-flop for around 12 thousand dollars that IS too expensive yeah, I am guesing for around 2 grand you could make something faster then an alpha, but there may be a minimum number of gates required(in the FPGAs) for a functioning system... it would all depend on the efficiency of the software, when it comes to using less FPGAs... ωνω KeLp [kelp@feynman.physics.wwu.EDU] has joined #tunes hey kelp 01:30pm hey i'm getting tired why for? not enough sleep and bored 01:40pm ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES oops, i left ping running overnight: --- 206.63.100.13 ping statistics --- 74188 packets transmitted, 72512 packets received, 2% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 35.1/107.7/2631.4 ms hey next time leave ping -f running that was from sloth nice hi Tril hello what's up, Tril go suck an egg, abi nothing mcuh is happening..but it will soon 02:00pm these CDE terms blow actualy CDE in general blows so... can't you get another option added π KeLp/#tunes is building kde now I ran afterstep but it didn't work I couldn't get a menu or anything there was a window control menu, but no launcher menu so I coudlnt do anything including log off I got a menu when I ran it you have to copy a .steprc over that's what i did from /usr/local/tools hmm 02:10pm ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Tril has no reason) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has left #tunes [] wohoo, building mozilla for the day 02:30pm on what OS? linux π Kor/#tunes brags linux-2.2.2-pre2 devfs patch, bla bla bla... π KeLp/#tunes is not a big linux fan Linux is just now getting devfs? i dont like how any of the distributions put it together... but I like this box KeLp: well, it will be put into the main kernel just now... the patch has been around for a long time. Linus is slow to accept new things lately... 02:40pm ahh, because *BSD has had that for some time now people who say BSD lags way behind Linux are full of shit they are ahead in some things, behind in others I have the Open BSD CVS tree, I like it as well its just diff are you running it on a PC? x86, yeah... also an alpha OpenBSD running X? yeah XFree86-3.3.3.1 do you notice nasty slowdowns in X on OpenBSD when you are compiling stuff? I havent dont much in OpenBSD yet... I will though, its just I mostly leech of the OpenBSD tree for kernel ideas... ie speeding up VM systems in linux :) ahh have you looked at FreeBSD for that too? FreeBSD is amazing under a load no, I will have to check that out... I saw a great message from I think it was a FreeBSD guy explaining what was wrong withlinux's current VM/Swap in OpenBSD do a make build one of those days, while you are in X and tell me if X gets slower than shit for me I have to do nice -n 19 make or its painfull do you still have that message? its linked on the Linux-MM page, let me fload my bookmarks NetBSD just got a whole new VM system too total rewrite I think http://www.nl.linux.org/Linux-MM/ has alot of Linux-MM info and a link to the FreeBSD guys message 02:50pm KeLp: did u see www.starbridgesystems.com, they have an array of FPGA's operating at several teraflops, with a custom OS/Language that automatically distributes the source amongst the different CLBs in each FPGA KeLp: they are selling them for millions, but you could build one for thousands, and possibly only a few thousand dollars... I am getting Xilinx pricing I'm still skeptical of their claims I wouldn't be surpised if it were a total hoax It is hard to beleive, but from what I understand of FPGAs, its entirely possible' I guess that best way to find out would be to ask Xilinx if they know anything about it... I am suprised there arent any lniks on Xilinx's page... hmm, I am not typing good english today(english IS my first language) yeah, I suck at english two and its my only language :) π Kor/#tunes notes mozilla builds take too long :/ going home π KeLp/#tunes is away: (home, idle now) [BX-MsgLog On] 03:00pm ωνω NetSplit: king.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:12pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [king.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: king.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net ωνω ^lilo [lilo@varley.openprojects.net] has joined #tunes ωνω abi [nef@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes gakuk hum Can anyone review the current version of my latest article? http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ submitted to Reflection'99 ok damn postscript file :) 03:40pm π Fare/#Tunes is away (shower) ωνω SignOff Kor: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kor[pm-ppp8.triton.net]) ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250088.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes howdy what's up, tcn hoy tcn any action here lately? not afaik yup If anyone cares to read the current (submitted) version of my latest paper and comment... http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ spread the word, but not too loud: it isn't "officially" publishable, yet :( :( Sorry, too busy this week.. unbusy enough to IRC >;-> 05:30pm ωνω sawdust [sawdust@pppC1.maxisp.com.au] has joined #tunes fare: for a couple minutes :) a couple minutes every two minutes makes a lot of time :) hi folks. lo interested in reflection in formal systems? or rather in OS implementation? or what? Actually in input. I need a better solution than GLUT for mouse.. any ideas ? GLUT? sawdust: what about GII? what does GLUT do wrt mouse? Keyboards work great for input :-) hooray ! GII was what I was thinking ! telepathy is better, but I haven't got it debugged yet whats GLUT, GII? Hey, did you hear about the new neural interface? tcn: yeah, but I want a fastt, responsive method for browsing 3D worlds without tying up the keyboard... Fare: :-) I nearly have but blood keeps coming out my ears... 3D, hmm.. maybe one of those mice with a roller button? Use it to go back & forward.. 3D sucks. whats GLUT, GII? hcf: GLUT is an add on to OpenGL (and Mesa) and GII is part of the GGI project. π Fare/#Tunes mostly boycotts 3D graphics, and uses even 2D ones scarcely. Fare: more of a 4D man ? Fare: oh. 1D ;-) more of a 1.618033988-D man π sawdust/#tunes lives on a non-euclidian plane - I met myself once... why is this channel called 'TUNES' ? /topic No topic is set on channel #TUNES... ah.. TUNES OS/Language Project Well, I feel silly. I thought you were all music lovers.. heard about it? I see.. "there's people on that channel, I'll ask them" why, I am a music lover, too! 05:40pm I'm a musician why do you think I named the project "TUNES" ??? It actually rings a bell. I can't remember why though. tcn: kinda - I thought 'they must be musicians - I'll ask them..' hey Fare, I'm porting Tunes to the 6812 tcn: I'd give the 6502 higher priority, if I were you... π KeLp/#tunes is back from the dead. Gone 27 hrs 46 min 8 secs yo Hum. Anyone cares to proof-read my article on http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp ? hmm, I must download a ps viewer first seriously, the thing only has like 512 bytes RAM :) half a K? hey Kelp, does FreeBSD kick Linux's ass? I think so but thats mostly just an opinion so Linux has an ass? interesting opinion... its swaping system is way better than Linux How do I go about getting it.. are there "distributions"? no just FreeBSD cool its one cohesive package maybe that's how it gets fucked, from time to time!? haha and the same group who does the kernel does everything else www.freebsd.org you can download it, or buy CDs As long as I don't have to compile the whole thing :) KeLp: swapping better than Linux is not real hard. Although Linux is still mucho better than unnamed proprietary ersatz of OSes. compiling the whole thing is cool :) and easy but you don't have to do that right away or ever tcn: if you don't compile it all yourself, you're not worth of being in our company! :) Well if it has better scheduling, compiling it all won't be so painful linux 2.2 scheduling ain't that great, either. however, it's quite liveable, if you're not overloaded. π Fare/#Tunes inserts a subliminal message about an article on http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ The whole "distribution" thing with Linux has gotten out of hand... http://lwn.net/1999/0121/a/vmreview.html short write up on FreeBSD VM vs Linux VM 05:50pm wow, sweet.. the install floppy gets you on the net. Now we're talking.. yeah one floppy you can do an ethernet install from there ftp, nfs, etc π sawdust/#tunes coughs '.* redhat does that too..* ' you may also want to take a look at OpenBSD and NetBSD From the boot floppy? doesn't redhat need a second floppy? hrm, there is a second floppy, but I can't remember if it's used for the ftp install.. It's only used for one method - can't remember which one.. redhat can install directly from CD w/o floppy, if your BIOS supports it -- experienced that on a Compaq where the floppy drive just wouldn't read the RedHat boot floppy :) second floppy is required for pcmcia and suches ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) according to that lwn.net artical, swaping in linux is totaly brain dead and Matthew Dillon knows whats up KL: according to my own experience, "totally" is a bit exaggerating, but "braindead" is completely true agreed. (if Linux was "totally" braindead, what would you call MockAss or Losedoze?) π sawdust/#tunes throws RAM at his machine to compensate.. I hardly ever use swap. Too slow :) netscape uses 65M swap... hum! I hardly ever use swap either, but I like the OS do deal when and if It does have to use swap s/do/to Fare: 65M? Under what OS? Linux Netscape is allocating 15MB for me now not for me it doesn't.. wtf? in OpenBSD fare must be browsing the new freshmeat page... 7 fullscreen 1024x768x16 windows. Maybe that's why? hehe saw: I occasionally browse freshmeat, too I agree, it uses way too much. Under win95, Netscape is much better.. well, as long as you have enough swap... occasionally, netscape takes too much swap and buserrors π sawdust/#tunes notices that Mozilla source code is around somewhere - DYI ;-) I timed it.. Netscape takes 20 seconds to load under Linux, compared to 5-10 seconds in windows. π Fare/#Tunes would rather get lynx or w3 takes like 3 seconds to laod in OpenBSD takes 0 second (marginal) to load here: never dies (once enough swap is there?) 06:00pm I'm on a 133.. that's great about a laptop -- processes live a *long* time. i'm on a K6-2 300/128MB I guess load time have more to do with RAM and disk bus speed than CPU speed. yeah, disk io and ram UDMA here I guess if I had the latest & greatest, it would be fine. Why waste money, though? My freaking 486 is fast enough for anything well-written. well, netscape's never been accused of that... Mozilla should be much faster with the new layout engine agree. Even the older versions used to crank along.. actually Mozilla was slower really? or about the same hmm, its supposed to be a lot lighter, but they could be full of shit I thought it sucked :) or it still has all the invariant code and other bloate still init how long ago ? The versions i used were pretty good - even on slowaris. ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[esmeralda.enst.fr]) I thought Mozilla was Netscape without Java it is but it has a totaly new layout engine which is much much beter totaly rewrite and it uses GTK now for the GUI instead of slowtif. or is that bloatif ? bbiab hmm.. I tried the GTK version. slow.. π KeLp/#tunes is away: (phone call) [BX-MsgLog On] really ? dang. I was hoping that would speed things up a bit. well, back to the grind. Good luck with TUNES - it looks quite interesting. I'll have to d/l the source and have a squiz. Pretty far out project. see ya. ωνω SignOff sawdust: #TUNES (using sirc version 2.211+4KSIRC/981227-pre0.9) 06:10pm π KeLp/#tunes is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 4 min 53 secs Allright, I'm installing freebsd.. I've got a 1G partition free. ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hey _qz, what's up? <_QZ> not much <_QZ> i am taking a break from making halflife levels and gonna work on brix tonight Will brix run on a 6812? <_QZ> ha <_QZ> after ported yes w/ 4K RAM? <_QZ> no <_QZ> well <_QZ> possibly hahaha maybe with 64K.. <_QZ> the kernel is about 4k right now <_QZ> but if u remove all the pmode/paging shit it would get smaller oh yeah.. pmode fuckin sucks. <_QZ> u can also remove setup crap that is PC specific <_QZ> when i started making brix i wanted it to run on embedded controllers so it can be in yer pc and every device u own In your car.. haha <_QZ> i was thinking more along hte lines of a 6811 w/ 32k <_QZ> but i could strip the kernel down to 2k <_QZ> with such low ram i can use a different type of memory managment that would lower the kernel size even more <_QZ> and since u wont be running a shitload of threads i could reduce that code aswell 06:20pm <_QZ> so the kernel and all its data structures could fit in 2-3k hey, how about a Z80? <_QZ> but after brix is ready for the x86 i will port it to the 6811 and then i will put 6811's in everything i own, even my car <_QZ> u can port it to the z80 <_QZ> i like the 6811 <_QZ> 6811 with wireless networking <_QZ> i can query the status of every device i own :) yeah, motorola CPU's are better. I'd do a MIPS or ARM, too.. <_QZ> from my main machine <_QZ> i can sit down to my pc and type "start car" I don't really give a shit about computerizing everything. heh.. right now, I'm learning how to do tube amplifiers.. <_QZ> haha <_QZ> u working on an EE degree? hmm, I could be.. but I hate fucking college <_QZ> self learning? yup <_QZ> thats kewl My problem is, I need a better guitar amp <_QZ> i taught myself too ωνω SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (Ping timeout for KeLp[feynman.physics.wwu.EDU]) <_QZ> then i took 3 years in high school and 3 at college I have a fancy Digitech unit & rackmount amp, but it just doesn't compare to a vintage tube amp. Sounds too "digital", and the digital controls are WAY too slow to work with. You got a BS in 3 years, or didn't bother finishing? <_QZ> ya i got my bs <_QZ> i clep'd alot of classes damn, you musta worked hard. 25 credits a semester.. <_QZ> because of my 3 years of high school ee and like 3 years of self learning before that 06:30pm <_QZ> 9 years of tinkering and after i got my degree i stopped playing with electronics stuff :) for awhile :) <_QZ> ya I'm stopping with an AS after this semester. I'm sick of taking 50% bullshit courses :) <_QZ> haha English Physics <_QZ> physics rocks Engineering Design <_QZ> english is easy but sucks <_QZ> business management sucked I guess physics could be cool, in a few weeks.. once we get out of thermodynamics and into waves, electricity, optics.. <_QZ> quantum physics is the best <_QZ> newtonian is ok <_QZ> its all just applied calc so it aint to bad <_QZ> oh and being a tutor in college sucks oh yeah, I found that out ;) <_QZ> some ppl are just too dumb to learn <_QZ> "A photographic memory but with the lens cover glued on." <_QZ> :) haha <_QZ> "It's hard to believe that he beat out 1,000,000 other sperm." I found most people who came in for tutoring were kinda lazy <_QZ> ya laziness is a trait of an idiot 06:40pm <_QZ> hmm that came out wrong, im lazy but im not an idiot same here :) slackers I'm the kinda guy who would take a course over the internet just to avoid going to 8:00 classes <_QZ> hahah me too what the hell, you only go around once, might as well relax <_QZ> i am nocternal, i hate morning hey, you use some BSD systems, right? <_QZ> ya <_QZ> i dont admin any I'm checking out freebsd How's it compare with Linux? <_QZ> its more secure than linux out of the box <_QZ> linux has a shitload more drivers I wonder which is faster on a 486 w/ 4 meg RAM.. haha <_QZ> dunno <_QZ> the fbsd i use is running on a dual p2 450 with 512meg ram yeah, I hear it's better for big servers <_QZ> aros was running its news server on a p100 256meg 30gig <_QZ> they just upgraded it to a dual p2-450 512meg and 80gig <_QZ> i wouldnt think a p100 could handle that much bandwidth 06:50pm I guess my p133 is good enough, then :) maybe Tril should run Freebsd on bespin <_QZ> u know howto setup a news server? yeah, use INN <_QZ> im gonna set one up on borg so i can read my newsgroups faster <_QZ> i should also setup a proxy I should get a LAN <_QZ> lans are kewl Shouldn't be too complicated though, 'cause I'm building a new computer from scratch.. maybe USB.. <_QZ> usb what? <_QZ> every machine i own i built I mean, from individual chips.. and not Intel-based <_QZ> hahaha <_QZ> reality check, current mobos are multi-layer So? rumour has it So is the second one haha <_QZ> abi: forget so _QZ: I forgot so I guess I should support some widely-used bus <_QZ> u cant build a modern machine <_QZ> what u can do is build a 6811 machine <_QZ> run like 10000 of them in parrallel hah Have you ever looked inside a nintendo 64? <_QZ> a nice 10000 cluster 6811 box running brix would kick some ass <_QZ> no I used to be skeptical "ahh, the N64 won't compete with a 133+ mhz computer" <_QZ> the n64 uses an r4000 right 07:00pm 90mhz, with a pretty nice graphics coprocessor.. and it costs like $120 <_QZ> sorta I'm more interested in long-term reliability & ease of use, than raw speed <_QZ> there was an article about it in byte or one of my other mags <_QZ> soemthing was reduced <_QZ> i think its memory bandwidth and bus clocks were reduced <_QZ> and the r4000 is not a real r4000 <_QZ> its a special r4000 made for the n64 oh, the r4000 was reduced from 100 to 90mhz, and the bus was like 60mhz I think it's a standard r4000 Anyway, I had plans to build a nice simple computer based around ARM/MIPS/68060 <_QZ> well anyway u look at it the n64 doesnt compare to my 463mhz celeron with its 128meg 103mhz ram and m3d hehe I dunno if I'll still build this computer.. not a good enough market for it.. <_QZ> and does the n64 let u do multiplayer, over a lan or internet? does it let u download new levels to play? <_QZ> console machines suck <_QZ> market?? <_QZ> u plan on selling em? Yeah, I wanted to sell it <_QZ> hahha <_QZ> let me explain something to ya I know There are bigger and better things <_QZ> u making them in yer basement would cost like twice what it would cost a plant to mass produce them oh, not that. I meant mass production.. only the first two or three would be made by hand :) But there's just so much to do in parallel computers, nanotech, and catching software up with hardware.. .. so why bother with a new CD? s/CD/PC/ :) 07:10pm <_QZ> nah <_QZ> if u can find some fast 32bit or 64bit cpus that use a really slow clock then u can make a board for them <_QZ> u can have custom asics made for like 4 for $500 <_QZ> ya ya 125 is kinda high for a controller chip <_QZ> but its called an investment <_QZ> u cna then put like 8+ of yer 32/64bit slow pcus on a mobo <_QZ> running an OS like brix or beos it would blow away a p2 <_QZ> but u need a slow clock so u can make the mobo yerself <_QZ> otherwise u will need to have soemone make them for u at an additional 100 a board why a slow clock? too much delay? <_QZ> and the custom asics are only like 2-4mhz whoa.. what would I do with the asics? <_QZ> control <_QZ> of the bus I'd rather use off the shelf chips. cheaper, faster, easily replacable <_QZ> not if they dont exist <_QZ> but anything above 33mhz will be impossible for u to make <_QZ> anything above 16mhz will be extremely hard look, for parallel processing, I'd build new CPU's.. that talk directly to each other, and not over a bus. <_QZ> can u make negatives? I can print transparencies for etching.. haven't tried it, but I don't see any hitches.. just keep that FeCl3 shit out in the garage.. <_QZ> u can print onto plastic sheets? 07:20pm <_QZ> do u have a uv table? transparencies are plastic sheets, right? <_QZ> ya I was kinda thinking of that when I got the printer <_QZ> hmm wonder if mine can HP laserprinter.. nice & crisp.. <_QZ> do u have a uv table? nope, gotta get one. Well what is it, a UV lamp with glass over it? <_QZ> what about a drill press with 0.5mm bits? <_QZ> ya <_QZ> and a lid a lid? to hold the sheets? <_QZ> uhh <_QZ> to prevent u from going blind oh :) <_QZ> its an intense burst of uv uhh.. plywood? <_QZ> that works :) <_QZ> and u need film ok, sounds like the main investment will be the drill press.. I'll check the garage sales :) <_QZ> u might also want a nice table saw <_QZ> to cut the boards Hey, any idea what a decent LCD screen costs? I'm interested in making it portable.. ωνω KeLp [kelp@xws041.xtrn03.wwu.edu] has joined #tunes <_QZ> what size? <_QZ> there was a sharp 6" color lcd for $100 kinda small, 8-10" diagonal <_QZ> they probably aint got anymore <_QZ> cuz 100 was a killer deal <_QZ> i was gonna buy a couple Ok, so I'm looking at $200 or so for that <_QZ> hahaha throw in a little HD <_QZ> 8-10 is like 500+ ok, 6" :) <_QZ> ofcourse buying just the screen is gonna be like 1000 <_QZ> u probably wont find any 6" for under 200 07:30pm <_QZ> those 6" i saw were pulled from a damaged batch of sharp cameras haha So how come I can get a brand new laptop with a 14" screen for $1000? <_QZ> BULK <_QZ> and what laptop has a 14" for 1000 bulk doesn't bring it down from $1500 to $200.. <_QZ> which laptop? oh, the cheaper ones <_QZ> show me one anyway, gotta run.. <_QZ> yer full of shit look on pricewatch later ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Leaving) 07:40pm ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω Kor [kor@pm-ppp94.triton.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω _dino_ [root@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff _dino_: #TUNES (Read error to _dino_[pm-ppp22.triton.net]: EOF from client) ωνω dino [dino@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 09:20pm ωνω _dino_ [dino@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff dino: #TUNES (ircII EPIC4pre2.001-NR8 -- Accept no limitations) ωνω SignOff _dino_: #TUNES (Read error to _dino_[pm-ppp22.triton.net]: EOF from client) geez ωνω dino [dino@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes haha ωνω SignOff dino: #TUNES (Read error to dino[pm-ppp22.triton.net]: EOF from client) geeeezzzz ωνω dino [dino@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes having fun over there? ωνω SignOff dino: #TUNES (Read error to dino[pm-ppp22.triton.net]: EOF from client) ωνω dino_ [dino@pm-ppp22.triton.net] has joined #tunes 09:40pm ωνω SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (Read error to KeLp[xws041.xtrn03.wwu.edu]: Connection reset by peer) ωνω KeLp [kelp@xws043.xtrn03.wwu.edu] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Kor: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kor[pm-ppp94.triton.net]) ωνω SignOff KeLp: #TUNES (sleep) ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0212 IRC log ended Fri Feb 12 00:00:00 1999