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[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0223
<_QZ> and it maximizes cpu resources on smp machines
<_QZ> oops
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!netgod:*! whee, losing alternet is fun
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<_QZ> beos?
<abi> rumour has it beos is useless or led by a stupid arrogant frenchman
<Bre> ehe
<_QZ> so what brings u here?
<Bre> curiosity
<_QZ> u making an OS?
<Bre> i saw on beoscentral a notice about this project
<Bre> no for from that
<Bre> no far from that
03:20pm
<Bre> and u?
<_QZ> whats the url?
<_QZ> to beos central
<_QZ> i am making brix
<_QZ> brix?
<abi> well, brix is a free portable protected preemptive pervasive-multithreading multiuser persistant object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system located at http://www.qzx.com/brix
<_QZ> and tunes is pretty much dead, so is this channel
<Bre> really?
<Bre> www.beoscentral.com
<_QZ> there is absolutely no code for tunes and it hasnt even been designed
<_QZ> ah beoscentral has a link to the OS review page
<_QZ> didnt think they would have links to tunes itself
<_QZ> :)
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<Fare> Gakuk!
03:40pm
<_QZ> fare
<_QZ> samuel says u make fun of him
<_QZ> is this true?
<Fare> who's samuel?
<_QZ> he's making the dolphin OS
<Fare> sam falvo?
<_QZ> yes
<Fare> me making fun of him? how that?
<_QZ> he says he wont come to this channel cuz u and yer 'cronies' make fun of him
π Fare/#Tunes wonders how SF could get this idea
<Fare> uh???
<Fare> sounds wierd.
<Fare> I don't remember having said anything in particular against him.
<Fare> Or maybe he doesn't appreciate my general sense of humor.
<Fare> what a "cronie", btw?
<_QZ> dunno
<_QZ> thats what he said
<_QZ> u should email him and make up
<_QZ> :)
03:50pm
<Fare> mail sent
<Fare> looks like buying this 300W powerfeed (sp?) instead of the old 230W was a great idea: the computer makes less noise, and I could overclock it!
04:00pm
<_QZ> what
04:10pm
<Fare> What what?
π Fare/#Tunes is away overclocking even more...
<_QZ> powerfeed?
<Fare> well, that thing that takes wall current, and transforms it into something useable by your computer
<Fare> outlet?
<Fare> surge?
04:30pm
<_QZ> power supply
<Fare> supply!
<Fare> Hum. Now testing 180MHz
<Fare> looks fine
<_QZ> and wtf does the ps have to do with overclocking?
<Fare> when underpowered, the fans didn't work properly -> noise, heat
<Fare> when correctly powered, the fans work good -> can overclock more
<Fare> s/more//
<_QZ> ya whatever
<_QZ> im running at 463mhz with a 230w ps
<Fare> QZ: I have lots of harddisks in the case. And the 6x86 draws a lot of power, too
<Fare> QZ: the supply is definitely not for the mere CPU.
<_QZ> i imagine my celeron at 463mhz draws a nice load
<Fare> anyway. I could *hear*  that my supply was underpowered
<_QZ> p2-333 is 22w
<Fare> 4 hardisks, 2 floppy drives, one CDROM drive (used to be a tape drive and a few extra extension boards in this case, too)
<_QZ> damnit php3 doesnt work on ftp
<Fare> Hum. Got a few sig11 at 180MHz
<Fare> I guess I must revert back to 165MHz
04:40pm
<Fare> or might it have to do with RAM speed?
<Fare> (I have slow RAM, too)
<_QZ> i wonder what kinda market there is for celeron smp adapters
<_QZ> bemachines sells dual socket 370 celerons with 370->slot1 adapters modified for smp
04:50pm
<Fare> Is there secondary (ternary?) cache on these boxen to cope with low cache on celeri?
<Fare> hum. Got a reply from sam.
<Fare> Apparently some people here have been very un-nice to him
<_QZ> the new celerons have 128k full-speed L2 cache
05:00pm
<Fare> situation clarified with KC5TJA
05:10pm
<_QZ> is there a way to copy all *.html files to *.php3 files?
06:00pm
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<_QZ> hola amigo
<Kor> hi
<_QZ> check out the new brix pages
<Kor> koo
<Kor> abi: brix?
<abi> i think brix is a free portable protected preemptive pervasive-multithreading multiuser persistant object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system located at http://www.qzx.com/brix
<Kor> thankyou abi
π Kor/#tunes notes abi is a good URL keeper
<_QZ> heh
<_QZ> yes she is
<Kor> _QZ: u updated the page, but not the part where it says updated: <date> :)
<Kor> oh, i C packages
<_QZ> right
<_QZ> packages is the only new page
<_QZ> and im still typing it
<_QZ> ok done
<Kor> I had a thought for implementing packages, a weighted linked list... so the more frequently an object is loaded in a certian order (pci_init,pci_scan)... the higherprobability it will follow that link
06:40pm
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<_QZ> eh?
<dino> hellos
<Kor> ie ...->pci_init->(100%)pci_scan then when u load pci_init, it will check the weights and if they are over the threshold, it will load them at that time
<_QZ> a package has a header of pointers
<_QZ> the eniter pacakge is loaded into memory and the kernel reads the header to find the pointer to the object it needs to use
<Kor> oh, that is a different way to do it all together
<Kor> the nice thing about the weighted lists, is that they will become more efficient as they are used...without resettng meta-data, ie: package files header
<Kor> they also work for not-yet-encountered situations... but only statistically, which could sometimes hurt it as well by loading an uneccesary function
<Kor> hehe, every time you come up with a cool idea, I have to knock it. packages might be just as usefull... although if u had source available I could try and add weighted lists and find out
<_QZ> i dont think u understand why im using pacakges
<_QZ> the kernel creates a thread for each object it loads
<_QZ> when it loads a driver it usually has to load several objects at once
<_QZ> thats alot of threads and alot of time wasted
<Kor> _QZ: no, i remember, you said why yesterday
<_QZ> if i understand what yer saying it is like predicting what the next message will be
<Kor> say you load ide_init, ide_geom, vfs_init, ext2fs_init
<_QZ> and loading the objects in advances
06:50pm
<Kor> er, yeah, that is similar to what i mean
<Kor> er, this will help me understand what you are using them for exactly
<_QZ> and it would be very possible to add a weight list object to the system that the kernel could store predictions in
<Kor> will your kernel now load packages, instead of multiple objects, by calling a package, or will a call to an object in a certain situation trigger a package call?
<_QZ> the packages are transparent
<_QZ> its like the objects arent really in the pacakge
<_QZ> u call the object as u always would and the package gets loaded
<Kor> ok, kool so the backend could work any way, even weighted lists if that worked better
<_QZ> it just brings along a few friends
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<MT127> .hi
<Kor> that sounds good
<MT127> does anyone runs 2.2final kernel plz ?
<_QZ> here is an example: (hdd driver) u got the config data object, init action, load aaction, and save action 
<Kor> MT127: linux 2.2.2
<MT127> nope
<MT127> 2.2-final ... 
<_QZ> when u need to load something from the hdd it requires the first 3 objects there
<MT127> i download it as 2.2pre9
<_QZ> when the kernel unloads the driver it must call the hdd free action 
<MT127> i need help with something if u dont mind plz 
<Kor> _QZ: are actions specified, object.action? or are they looked up?
<Kor> _QZ:and if i say object.action and the object isnt loaded, is it transpaarently loaded if available?
<_QZ> object.action
<Kor> MT127: ok
<_QZ> u have to run an action on an object
<MT127> does anyone know how i can see ANSI with that kernel in console (BitchX etc) it works with 2.0.36 and 2.1*
<Kor> so the action isnt part of the objects namespace? its in the global namespace?
<Kor> MT127: switch fonts
<_QZ> ya but u can only run an action on the type of object it was made for
<Kor> MT127: setfont will do
<MT127> Kor : with setfont ?
<MT127> thnx ma man :)) thnx a lot ...
<MT127> something else if u dont mind 
<Kor> _QZ: koo, that is like scheme oo programming, very good structure
<MT127> i cant make a dial-up connection whats the best solution to change to ttyS1  ... so that i can use 2.0.36 as well /?
<MT127> plz
<_QZ> MT127: huh?
<dino> What do you mean change to ttyS1?
<Kor> huh here too
<dino> Why do you want to use a 2.0.xx kernel?
<MT127> 2.2 asks me to use ttyS1 instead of cua1 
<Kor> they will both work with ttySN
07:00pm
<MT127> dino : its faster and i work ma HP 720C with that
<MT127> i change the symbolic link but nothing happens when i try to make a connection ...
<MT127> with 2.2
<Kor> what do u mean symbolic link?
<MT127> @modem .... in /dev/
<_QZ> modem->ttyS1
<MT127> i think
<MT127> what`s the best way to do that ... 
<Kor> MT127: that looks correct
<MT127> ?
<MT127> plz
<MT127> it doesnt work with kppp
<Kor> oh Qz wrote that
<MT127> cool
<Kor> QZs suggestion looks correct :)
<Kor> ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem
<MT127> yeah thats exactly what i do ... :)
<_QZ> what are the perms for the devs
<MT127> i dont know but it seems to changing the link i thing ?:(
<_QZ> show me the dir listing
<MT127> it works with 2.0.36 ...
π Fare/#Tunes is back
<Kor> its odd that it is working with 2.0.36, or 2.2.2... when you compiled 2.2.2 dod u enable serial port
<Kor> s/or/"but not"
<Kor> s/dod/did
<MT127> i suppose so ... 
<Kor> $@$#^*$# KEYBOARD
<MT127> the kppp says init... etc and then hangs ..
<MT127> it works with minicom
<_QZ> did u upgrade ppp?
<Fare> 2.2 requires a recent pppd
<MT127> i have 2.3 i think 
<Kor> ah, that is prolly what is wrong, whats your pppd version
<Fare> is it 2.3.5 ?
<Kor> what is the patchlevel
<Kor> pppd --version;
<MT127> i sorry i dont know ... i think the link point to 2.3 or something :(
<MT127> pppd version 2.3 patch level 5
<Kor> that is the newest :(
<Fare> are your net tools recent, too?
<Fare> (ifconfig, route, etc)
<MT127> yeap i think so ... 
<Fare> where does it hang?
<Fare> did you setserial the correct settings? (linux does not autoprobe IRQs on serial by default , now)
<MT127> it not hangs exacrtly it just freezes or something ... 
<Kor> does it to your knees, does it wobble to and fro?
<MT127> ???
<Kor> can you throw it over your shoudlre?
<Fare> what if you minicom/kermit directly to the modem? experience any problem?
07:10pm
<MT127> nope
<_QZ> Fare: he said minicom worked
<Kor> MT127: try echo ata > /dev/ttyS1 with 2.2.2 that will tell me if your serial or ppp kernel module is missing/broken
<Kor> is minicom worked, then the ppp kernel module is most likely missing/broken
<MT127> i have ppp build in the kernel ...
<_QZ> MT127: did u install ppp in the kernel?
<Kor> hmm...
<MT127> waiting for X server to shut down kppp: Fatal IO error: client killed
<MT127> this happed now
<MT127> do i have to change the /etc/ppp/options file to ttyS1 as well .. i tryied that but nothing happened 
<MT127> plz ?
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<MT127> netsplit
<Fare> is ppp in your kernel?
<MT127> yeap
<MT127> is there anything i can do ... ?
07:20pm
<MT127> r u there ?
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<MT127> netjoined
<dino> hellos again
<MT127> .hi
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<Kor> damn michigan openprojects server
<_QZ> heh
<dino> I agree
07:40pm
<Fare> damn netscape
<Kor> damn netscape 4.xto hell
<Kor> with its non-threaded dns lookups, and random freezes
<Kor> abi: netscape?
<abi> netscape is an app and doesnt work in brix
<Kor> GOOD, points for brix
<_QZ> hehe
<Kor> abi: kor?
<abi> it has been said that kor is not typing good english today(english IS my first language)
<Kor> bah!
<Kor> abi: who is Thee Fairy King
<abi> no idea, kor
<Kor> good guess
<_QZ> abi: who is kor's god?
<abi> i haven't a clue, _qz
<Kor> _QZ: infinite recursion loop
<Kor> bah!
<dino> abi: abi?
<abi> i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or crapulmaniac or or
<_QZ> haha
<Kor> abi: QZ?
<abi> QZ is the two least used letters of the alphabet
<Kor> :P
<_QZ> pnuemontetramicroscopicsilicovocanninisi is a big word
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<_QZ> had to put that in abi :)
<dino> :)
<_QZ> pnuemontetramicroscopicsilicovocanninisi is also a lung disease
<Kor> Kor is Thee Fairy King!
<_QZ> if u can pronounce that word then u dont have it
<Kor> kor?
<abi> you are not typing good english today(english IS my first language)
<Kor> damn you abi!
<Fare> abi: isn't your first language perl?
07:50pm
<Kor> [...]
<dino> abi: hello
<abi> niihau, dino
08:00pm
<_QZ> that stupid bot
<_QZ> MESSAGE (abi nef@bespin.cx) The text is too long
<_QZ> MESSAGE (abi nef@bespin.cx) sorry...
<Kor> hehe, who types the too long text to a non-centient being
08:10pm
<_QZ> i was updated the brix entry
<_QZ> added a few more words :)
08:20pm
<_QZ> Congratulation! You are very lucky to win $1,000,please
<_QZ> go to http://award.126.com to complete the form in
<_QZ> 10 days,otherwise you will lose it.
<_QZ> YAY!
<Kor> damnit
<_QZ> spam is getting good :)
<Kor> they will respond with, we meant "you would be lucky to win 1000$", we have bad english sorry
<_QZ> hahahahaha
<_QZ> hmm its a freakin xxx site
<Kor> koo, free porn too
<_QZ> damnit
<_QZ> the stupid site wont load so i can get my $1000
<Kor> thats very suprising... that they arent just mailing you a check to make money
<Kor> hehe
<_QZ> ok time to add more info pages
08:30pm
<_QZ> that good shit that makes u wish brix was ready now :)
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<dino> hellos
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