IRC log started Sat Mar  6 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0306
ůíů yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes
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<smkl> hello
<yery> hello
09:30am
<smkl> anything new in tunes?
09:50am
<smkl> w00t my bot is working
10:40am
ůíů binEng [bineng@dialup156-4-7.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes
<smkl> hello
<binEng> hi
<yery> binEng
<smkl> what's up?
<binEng> umm...
<binEng> I'm in for some cleaning up of my to-do list
11:20am
<binEng> Anyone got a good Lambda-calculus tutor?
<smkl> i have
<binEng> Would you like to share it?
<smkl> http://www.diku.dk/research-groups/topps/bibliography/1998.html#D-368
<binEng> tnx
11:30am
<smkl> having fun with lambda calculus already?
<binEng> not yet... I'm having fun just thinking of it. kinda. not.
<smkl> have you programmed with functional languages?
<binEng> I guess not
<binEng> how do you tell?
<smkl> do you know haskell? ML? or scheme?
<binEng> no. no. heard of it.
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<binEng> Have I missed something great?
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01:00pm
<smkl> yeah. go to http://www.haskell.org/
<binEng> yet another thing to investigate... ih well
<smkl> is "Abstraction inversion" a new term?
<binEng> you asking me?
<smkl> no, Fare
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01:10pm
ůíů Implant [croix@ip109.sbynxr1.ras.tele.dk] has joined #tunes
<smkl> hello Implant
<Implant> hello
<yery>  Implant
<Implant> what exactly is a reflective computing system?
01:20pm
<smkl> a system that can compute about itself
<smkl> did that confuse you enough?
<binEng> What Haskell compiler should I get?
<Implant> yep.... but sorry for my ignorance... but i don't know what you mean, when you are saying "can compute about itself" :(
<smkl> just get the interpreter
<smkl> well, i mean that the system is able to metaprogram itself
<smkl> Fare should be able to explain better
<Implant> smkl: so what you are saying is that Tunes has the ability to adjust itself if e.g. an error occurs? 
<smkl> well, that and much more
<Implant> hmm... and when will it take over the world like in Terminator? =)
<smkl> year 54632382376428346*10^3289.4
01:30pm
ůíů lar1 [larman@208.255.84.152] has joined #tunes
<lar1> Hi
<yery> lar1
<Implant> heheh....
<lar1> Anyone know how to rotate a 3d object in C/asm?
<binEng> why, isn't it just to recalculate the points in space?
<lar1> I guess but how do I represent (x,y,z) with just (x,y)?
<binEng> you wish to project it on the screen?
<lar1> yes
<binEng> I don't know.
<lar1> :)
<lar1> ok, thanks
<smkl> get pcgpe or something
<binEng> I was thinking of the same
<lar1> They have a VLA tutorila in there... but it really complex... I know it can be done simpler then that...
01:40pm
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<binEng> How come Haskell is no more used than it is?
<smkl> you would understand it if you tried to program something real with it
<binEng> :)
01:50pm
<Implant> anybody here who know alot about what kind of OSes beeing developed?
<smkl> Fare does
<binEng> but could you say he is here, really?
<Implant> okay then, here goes: does there exist any OS alike, and as large scale as MVS?
<binEng> no idea. Anyway, I'm leaving - cya...
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02:00pm
<smkl> what's MVS?
<Implant> MVS -> mainframe OS
<Implant> IBS's OS/390 operating system
02:10pm
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<rukmini> I just read the TUNES FAQ (more like a manifesto).  It sounds interesting, but
<rukmini> how will you manage the hardware-independent part?
<rukmini> Will you use a virtual machine?
<rukmini> If so, it seems best to use the Java virtual machine, since
<rukmini> then other people will already do all the work for you
<rukmini> of making it run as efficiently as possible.
<rukmini> (Of course, you don't have to use the Java language,
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<lar1> Hi!!
<rukmini> plenty of other languages have been made to run on this machine.
<rukmini> )
11:40pm
<rukmini> On the other hand, you want to eliminate the Operating System?
<rukmini> How can you eliminate the operating system and also be
<rukmini> hardware independent?
<lar1> Easy, you cant :)
<rukmini> There has to be *something* between the hardware and your wonderful
<rukmini> high-level abstraction, doesn't there?
<rukmini> Well, it did sound impossible, but I was hoping these people had 
<rukmini> some idea.
<rukmini> Well, lar1, you seem to be the only person awake on this channel.
<lar1> I was wondering who you were talking too...
<rukmini> I'm a bit new to IRC, so I just started typing.
<lar1> Oh... hehehe, thats one way
<rukmini> It says there are all these other people here, but they don't seem active.
<lar1> What says there are lots of people here?
<rukmini> Ack.  My very first time on IRC.  I'm using Zircon, and there's a list to the right,
<rukmini> with my name, Fare, TUNES, Tril, _QZ, and you, lar1.
<lar1> Oh... very first?  Welcome to IRC!
<rukmini> Thanks.  I feel rather silly, I've been on the Internet since 1987, 
<lar1> Wow!
<rukmini> but have done this one thing everyone else seems to be doing.
<rukmini> I mean, haven't.
<lar1> I am the channels 13 year old... so 87' seems even further away for me ;)
<rukmini> Wow! How did you find this channel?
<rukmini> I'm nearly twice as old as you...I was 13 in 1987.
<lar1> I was asking on #asm on EFnet about code to read/write from FAT, and hcf dircted me to code, and this server
<rukmini> Well, what do you know about TUNES?  I only found it a few minutes ago.
11:50pm
<lar1> Its an OS, I know that
<lar1> And depending who you ask, it is drowneding in admistrivia or idle or going along perfectly fine
[lar1(larman@208.255.86.193)] hi
<rukmini> Well, even the worst of those sounds pretty good to me.
<rukmini> From the manifesto, it sounds impossible.
<lar1> I don't understand it all myself.  I just do some little jobs, and hang out here to get help on my OS.
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<rukmini> Your OS?  Was it the DOS FAT you were talking about?
<lar1> Yup, DOS FAT... yuck!!!  My OS is RAvEN and it is going slowly, but I have learned immense amounts from it.
<rukmini> You're *writing* an OS!  Wow!
<rukmini> What machines will it run on?  
<rukmini> Is there any particular philosophy behind it, or are you just writing it
<rukmini> for fun?
<lar1> x86, that is the only chip I have... :)  I am writing it just for fun mostly.
<lar1> To be better then Windows... thats my philosophy
<rukmini> Well, that shouldn't be too hard :-)
<rukmini> So these people have to mess with something as ugly as the DOS FAT...
<rukmini> I wonder how that mixes with their beautiful unified reflective architecture!
<lar1> Yah... I'd be 'proud to be Microsoft free' but I got stuck with a winmodem... sooo I have to use ipmasq on another computer to get the internet on this computer :(
<lar1> No, not them I don't think
<rukmini> Winmodems are the pits.  I'd recommend Linux (that's what I'm using),
<rukmini> but generally winmodems only work in Windows...
<lar1> I have dual boot on all my machines but this laptop came with a winmodem... arg!  It took me awhile to find out too, and that is the more upsetting part
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IRC log ended Sun Mar  7 00:00:00 1999