IRC log started Tue Apr 6 00:00:00 1999 [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0406 [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from carter.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[sloth.wcug.wwu.edu]) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. !driz:*! new kernel.. rebooting bear in a sec. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: varley.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (Server bear.openprojects.net[199.173.181.35] closed the connection) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from bear.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Local SQUIT by asdf [bear.openprojects.net]: [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (brb) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from bear.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes abi? Fare? tunes? tunes is probably in my head or tunes is a useful nevertheless expedient system. or at http://tunes.org/ or a free reflective computing system [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (Server bear.openprojects.net[199.173.181.35] closed the connection) tril? [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from bear.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. 03:10am [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (Server bear.openprojects.net[199.173.181.35] closed the connection) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from bear.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Tim_Warner (GHOST command used by Tim_W[AFK]) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net saberhagen.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from saberhagen.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net saberhagen.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (Server bear.openprojects.net[199.173.181.35] closed the connection) -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250097.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes -:- tcn has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Retro source released! See http://www.tunes.org -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from bear.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: OperServ killed Wyster (You have been k-lined. To appeal, please email support@openprojects.net.) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net services1.openprojects.net adding GLINE for *@vcd.student.utwente.nl, expiring at 923512289: You have been k-lined. To appeal, please email support@openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Link with sterling.openprojects.net cancelled: Ping timeout [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from clarke.openprojects.net [07:56am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Link with koontz.openprojects.net[@208.236.212.18] established. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: clarke.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #tunes [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from koontz.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net calvino.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from calvino.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net calvino.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net lackey.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lackey.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lackey.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. 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[openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from sterling.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) -:- binEng [bineng@dialup58-4-5.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250088.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hey hey, tcn 11:00am hi you interested in AI? moderately, yes hey, tell me why you asked! 11:10am just wondering, really. Tunes is starting to look more like an AI project than just an OS what, tunes ever was a pure OS project? [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from king.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. whoa, forgot about IRC.. :) that happens me too once in a while so you ordered GEB? um yes I did, didn't I? Those three names in the title that was, right? yeah lots of AI stuff in there then I ordered it. Just remains to see if it's availible. 11:20am [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) There hasn't been much advancement in CS in the past 20 years :) not? well, we'll just have to change that, then ;) yeah You could read & reread that book for the rest of your life and never fully understand it :) I do plan to read other books as well, you know... what else did you get? something like "the Theory of Objects" or something I'm still trying to figure out a good addressing system for persistent storage.. aargh.. I actually don't see the big problem isn't it just to allow recursive object servers? yeah, I guess you could call it that :) 11:30am but the problem is ... (fill in problem here) We want something that'll still be useful in 30 years ic ok. So what can we say about computing in the next thirty years? anything at all? obsolescence is the biggest problem with computers ;) Well, we can be sure parallel computing will be commonplace yes capacity & speed will probably increase a thousandfold bigger increase in bandwidth than internal speed, you think? I dunno.. is that predictable? I don't know. Just a thought. lately (especially with pentiums) I thought bandwidth was the bottleneck.. but that could be fixed by using a parallel architecture you think computers will still use 2-state logic? :) The detail with which devices are remote controlled and monitored should increase much, I believe. yes I do But that could be that I just can't imagine any feasible alternatives :) hmm.. a petri dish full of neurons? Not in my bedroom mister! ;) 11:40am oh yeah, that could be kinda freaky plus you'd need tubes and pumps and such, with blood flowing through them.. but back to the issue. Would your addressing system even be meaningful with such alien devices? sounds kinda frankenstein-like :) It's hard to say if Tunes would be meaningful at all BW BTW in the Grail doc, the author said Grail would work with analog systems nothing... nothing..? I changed my mind :) we'll always need addressing at least as long as the computers are discrete. if it's done at a high level, we can always change the implementation.. hmm.. I should define the interface, _then_ worry about the implementation. yah 11:50am well I'm gonna take a walk and think this over later cya -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) 12:10pm [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from king.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed XiDEX (This nick is reserved by another user) -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: tolkien.openprojects.net gibson.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: varley.openprojects.net gibson.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from gibson.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net gibson.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[dialup58-4-5.swipnet.se]) -:- binEng [bineng@dialup243-3-26.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: varley.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: tolkien.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from asprin.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. hey hola, binEng shut up Abi * binEng/#tunes pokes Fare [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: tolkien.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) 01:50pm [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: varley.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from asprin.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. abi: abi? i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik abi: gaklosmontic abi: gaklosmontic? wish i knew, bineng 02:30pm -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: varley.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: tolkien.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from dickson.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net dickson.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed wichert (GHOST command used by wichert_) -:- binEng [bineng@dialup243-3-26.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Tim_Warner (GHOST command used by Tim_W[AFK]) boo what's up, freaks? 04:40pm nada except for one or two mp3s :) get any of those books you ordered? amazon is usually next day in the states I didn't order throu Amazon, I ordered throu some more local bookstore... but I'll have the books in about a week I guess how many did you get and I'm not in the states :) well, i knew that duh maybe amazon has a warehouse near you, too :) how many I got? I ordered those two, but if they have them, I don't know yet. Gakuk which two? GEB and TOO geb and too * Fare/#Tunes spent the afternoon installing qmail on a slowaris bawx :) i'm on slowaris now should have added SICP * Fare/#Tunes hates slowaris not even zsh, less or screen or anything, or a decent tar i'm in a threads programming class, we get to do win32, slowaris, and posix threads i'm in CDE first thing I had to do is install *real* software instead of the pseudo-software that comes with slowaris kde also supposedly works, maybe i should switch (happily, the former sysadm already installed half of what's needed, including gcc) (me have to learn screen some day hmm s/(// :) bE: screen is fairly easy to use just remember Ctrl-A (or whatever you change it to) is your special command key and man screen 04:50pm why is my cvs change not committed is it not? got an error? well, I've hardly looked at it yet... much to learn when confronted to UNIX for real the first time no, it's committed, but not updated to the web page yet. it should have been since yesterday UNIX sucks, but GNU is liveable. Tril: did you su tunes -c '~/bin/junk.script update_tunes' ? no, but I thought it runs nightly Tril, I agree UNIX does suck, but so do so much else too. yes it does, around midnight yesterday I didnt need to force an update, but today I expect to use the link! so if your commit was after midnight, no go it was around this time yesterday use the link? that's what my change was , added the sicp link to Languages uh? Didn't it already have it???? crap, it's there, but I just discovered it is buggy html! oh did you try retro? err, not buggy html, but I put the link in the wrong place boo! 05:00pm anything to tell me before I go to sleep? did you read the draft arrow paper? not yet :( opened a netscape with it Anyone who thinks it's possible to hack that Redhat serverer, BTW? binEng: do you read bugtraq? no, what's that? there are *lots* of known exploits for plain non-upgraded redhat servers www.rootshell.com http://www.geek-girl.com/bugtraq/ i think, never been there :) simple ones? ones *I* can use? * Tril/#TUNES is not a security person abi: bugtraq? fare: i don't know abi: bugtraq is at http://www.geek-girl.com/bugtraq/ well, i am a security person. for tunes, though ,not unix ;) shouldn't SICP be "SICPP", for Procedural Programs? uh? why procedural???? don't they assume programs are sequences of commands? Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs that's the title of the book any inclusion of logic-programming and/or functional programming no they don't they present concurrent programming, logic programming, actor programming, constraint-based programming and they start with functional programming uh oh, my computer is thrashing itslef to death windows? windows is a 32bit patch for a 16bit shell on an 8bit OS originally made for 4bit machines by a 2bit company that can't stand 1bit of competition win98? abi: win98? bineng: i haven't a clue you are running windows now? when linux was thrashing on me, i needed to increase the swap. abi: windows98? no idea, bineng abi: windows 98? i haven't a clue, bineng now why would abi know anything about windows? abi Tril? abi Tril? abi yes, Tril? abi Tril? abi: win98 is a study in unstable bloatware. that's my name, don't wear it out 05:10pm abi: win98? somebody said win98 was a study in unstable bloatware. that's right... binEng: rootshell.com has all you need to break into a server that's false! win98 is *stably* bloated. uh fare: I dunno... seems a little advanced to me. he must be joking. i think some of us dont add :) as often as we should binEng: read along. There are tutorials here and there. k and source programs to help create exploits that, or he misunderstood the English meaning of "unstable bloatware"? * Tril/#TUNES grins at fare :) the pliant architecture is interesting Hey it's much cooler to seize a satellite! Do they have any golden eye type ones availible? ;) (although the language is unnecessarily incompatible with any existing tradition) gotta go sleep. see you! the dynamic compiler part is definitely what we want ok, bye * Fare/#Tunes is away sleep bye i guess it's almost hte same time where you are see ya oh you aren't leaving, bin??? :) I got confused because you said "bye" after Fare left. no not me yeah... a long shot :) are you +1 from gmt? guesso, yes warm and sunny here ;) huh? i doubt it well ok maybe not that sunny... russia is 11 time zones, it's still light here, and the sun only lights up 12 time zones at a time!! thus it's probably pretty dark in the NL NL? ewrr,, former USSR, used to anyway ok, SE sorry ah :) its glory seems to be past 05:20pm it's strange... there are some countries that you always see on the net... other's very seldom When did you meet an italial last, for example? s/italial/italian/ hmm there are 2 .it addresses subscribed to tunes out of HOW many? 97 have you looked at how many ppl come from each country? i'm looking now.. How do you do that? With some UNIX tool? 22 .com 16 .net 11 .fr 6 .org 5 .uk 4 .edu 4 .ca 3 .au 3 .se 3.ua 2 .ru 2 .it 2 .nl 2 .fi 2 .de and a lot of 1's: cx hu es br no mil dk be EDU and COM, oops, add those caps ones where they go I ran this command, rev tunes|cut -f1 -d\.|sort|uniq -c|sort -n|less, then I read the names backwards where tunes is the file with the list of subscribers uh, complicated oh well, guess I'll learn that too some day what's .ua? if you stick another rev in there somewhere you can read it forwards :) :) It's Ukraine. k see /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab for fun at least on bespin well I think you've got them pretty much summed up there... I can't think of any major (developed) country that's abscent 05:30pm * binEng/#tunes gets the feeling 'abscent' is wrong what about LU? :) absent ah so what's lu? Luxembourg :) .jp there was somebody whose address actually forwarded to .EG, but i couldnt tell which. the only reason I know is that I was getting failed delivery messages once. I don't even know if they're still on :) heh * binEng/#tunes is stydying iso3166.tab <_QZ> heh, forwarded address suck when the destination address no longer exists * Tril/#TUNES watches bineng <_QZ> they suck even more when the stupid destination host sends the error message back to the list actually I dont have ttysnoop on. maybe i should try it again it didnt work well on slackware what's ttysnoop? it lets me see exactly what is on your tty and I can even type into it, but that would probably give me away how sneaky maybe i will let everyone access it :) oh no you've got no from Ireland... 05:40pm * binEng/#tunes has found an interesting cracking paper what? http://www.rootshell.com/docs/improve_by_breakin.txt you broke into bespin? heck no :) don't do that. you're supposed to hack the unios box :) I, kinda, *logged* in ;) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net bear.openprojects.net (Server bear.openprojects.net[199.173.181.35] closed the connection) whatdaaya mean? uh? i have an account on Bespin or what? you were logged in before you said that that's why you confused me well, i think we're good at confusing _each_other_ 05:50pm well, i'm going to go home to eat next time you login i'll be able to spy on you but, if you use ssh instead of telnet, then I won't ok see ya * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: varley.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: devlin.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from asimov.openprojects.net. <_QZ> binEng: see if u can hack root on bespin :) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. 06:00pm heh, that'll have to wait until after unios :) <_QZ> what u think tril is gonna put unios on bespin and then u can use yer secret backdoors to get in? :) no... the challenge was to hack unios. if we get root, we can keep it, IIRC 06:10pm [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: devlin.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: varley.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from asimov.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed jeff_ (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed woot (GHOST command used by psyberphat) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Soz (This nick is reserved by another user) -:- Iepos [root@d19.t1-1.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES <_QZ> hello hello <_QZ> what brings u to #tunes? good question ... :-) i've been lurking here for a while <_QZ> oh really? on the mailing lists ... it sounds like an interesting project. <_QZ> ya but it is in permanent idle mode yep... well, anything new today? whatever happened to Brian's arrow stuff? <_QZ> dunno, im not on the mailing list anymore oh... i don't know either it sounded kinda interesting, though... <_QZ> what was it? not that I understood what he was saying :-) <_QZ> haha oh ... i'm not sure exactly what it is... other than it had something to do with TUNES. I think it was a way of represented concepts using just a set of arrows pointing to each other rather than streams of bits <_QZ> uh, ok haha this is my first time to use IRC are Tril, Fare, and abi on here too? <_QZ> abi and TUNES are bots oh <_QZ> fare is asleep <_QZ> and tril is away oh <_QZ> i am the designer of BRiX oh heh heh... that just what i was going to ask you. so, what does it do now? any progress? <_QZ> tons of progress that's good. so, what does it do? <_QZ> did u try the test binary that i released on april 1st? 08:40pm no... where is it? <_QZ> www.qzx.com/brix okay i'm getting it i'm gonna try running it through bochs maybe... <_QZ> this machine has been unstable since friday so i didnt get that interactive binary finished oh <_QZ> it will run in bochs, thats what i use to debug it :) this is meant for a floppy, I suppose? [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) uh oh, i'm going to need x-windows for bochs i guess i have to get off irc then and get back on... is there a way around that? other than staying in x all the time? <_QZ> around what? or do you not use unix? :-) <_QZ> i stay in X all the time ... okay i'll be back. -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. -:- Iepos [root@d19.t1-1.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES hello again <_QZ> why do u irc as root? I do everything as root... why, how can you tell? <_QZ> u shouldnt irc as root why? <_QZ> === JOIN #TUNES Iepos root@d19.t1-1.tecinfo.com ohhh. <_QZ> there are exploits to hack into your irc client and gain root hmm... that's not good. well if that happens i'll just reformat my harddrive <_QZ> hmm i need the new linux kernel anyway :-) i don't really have anything important on my machine <_QZ> i would die if my machines were hacked and erased well... let's hope it doesn't happen then. <_QZ> i have a cd writer and tape drive but have never made any backups with them :) okay i'm going to try bochs now... 08:50pm interesting it found an unknown 386 2Mhz :-) <_QZ> ya i actually have a pentium 133 it seems to work <_QZ> ya, bochs is slow sure is <_QZ> my p262 gets 3mhz hmm only found 14mb i wonder if that is a linux problem i actually have 64mb but ever since i added more memory (used to have 16mb) it has never worked right it says "65536kb" or something when i boots though, i think <_QZ> bochs does not report the memory right oh <_QZ> i have 192meg and bochs says 16meg it just allocates some memory and goes probably default of 16mb could change in .bochsrc i think my 30 days are almost expired :-) are there any other i386 emulators? <_QZ> 30 days? bochs is shareware register after 30 days. <_QZ> i have had my copy of bochs for about 6 months haha practically every file in the documentation has a message at the beginning ... ... " BOCHS IS NOT FREE SOFTWARE !!!" or something to that effect "it is commercial" "you must register" <_QZ> but u dont have to it works pretty well though, except it's slow that's true but you're violating (c) law if you don't :-) <_QZ> oh blah haha <_QZ> im probably violating bigger laws with my cd writer :) sooo .... "where's the source code"? to BRiX that is? <_QZ> not that i've ever made any illegal copies of commercial software with it ;) <_QZ> source code will not be released anytime soon ooooooooooooooooooh all right <_QZ> i will probably release the source to v0.0.1 when i release the binaries for v0.0.2 okay hey, i wanted to check out tcn's Retro too ... but don't want to try to get cvs working ... i don't even have it <_QZ> he doesnt have much Fare posted a bziped version somewhere... do you know where it is i accidentally erased my email message oh that's right i forgot about mail archives could have looked it up maybe i will now <_QZ> heh, i dont know anything about the retro source unless you know where it is? <_QZ> retro doesnt have any paging or muli-anything support yet 09:00pm oh.... <_QZ> s/muli/multi/ it'd still be interesting to look at soooooo ........... what does BRiX do that i can't see? is there memory management (garbage collection, swap file, etc.) ? <_QZ> that test loaded an object into a page protected space and ran an action thread inside that space <_QZ> no swap in brix oh so what's the use of pages, then? <_QZ> when objects are no longer used by another object there count is zero and the kernel will overwrite them if the memory is needed aack... no archive of april until month ends... oh okay it's getting late here... <_QZ> there is a persistence mechanism that automatically saves modified pages do you live in the US? <_QZ> yes oh... <_QZ> utah mississippi persistence... yes that is better than swap for sure i guess swap is a way for persistence sort of virtual memory i guess ussually implies that the programmer has "short-term memory" (RAM) and "long-term memory" (filesystem) that he has to distinguish between manually not good <_QZ> i treat memory as a type of cache yes... that seems like a good approach <_QZ> u access the object as if its on the store and the kernel 'caches' it into memory and handles saving it yes i was working on a toy operating system a while back but i got sucked into studying lambda-calculus and logic and stuff :-) somehow <_QZ> heh well i'd better go now... see ya later <_QZ> cya bye -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) 09:10pm [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: koontz.openprojects.net lu.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lu.openprojects.net. 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