IRC log started Sun May 16 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0516 -:- ruiner [nate@ppp256.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes leonardo dicaprio? leonardo dicaprio is the fourth Hanson brother 12:10am -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [12:17am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net is there anybody out there? 12:30am hmmmmmmmm 12:40am -:- _BC [bmcbrine@pine.Alberni.Net] has joined #tunes <_BC> Hi all hi <_BC> Anything happening ruiner? not really whats shaking over there? <_BC> not very much. just poped in for a cpl mins. Wondered if there was any interesting stuff happening here late. :) not tonight <_BC> I'm mostly just an interested party to TUNES. I'm not a novice however. What's your role in TUNES? I have none <_BC> none? what may i ask are you here then? the same reasons as _qz or billyboof (when he's here) <_BC> hmm ok. although i'm still no more enlightened. to debate ideas and learn <_BC> I like the mandate of the TUNES project. I may help out offering suggestions,etc. <_BC> You are interested in os design then? this tends to be more of an operating systems in development channel, the focus is *supposed* to be tunes, but its usually whatever one of us seems to have trouble with or wishes to bounce off others to get their reactions/assessments of 12:50am does that help? <_BC> ohh, interesting. and so any linux or qnx or dos problem fits? I think this room is home to 4 or 5 different operating systems well....it tends to be more development orientated, but the people here usually aren't so picky about what they help with so I guess ... <_BC> intriguing. is that 4 or 5 'new' os? yes <_BC> hmm. well i have been thinking of coding my own os. perhaps i can utilise the pool of knowledge. :) do you have any ideas yet? <_BC> yes. i have many ideas, i need some practical pointers, mostly. how far along are you as a programmer? <_QZ> what ideas? <_BC> a fair bit of c, asm, (i don't need to mention basic do i? ), and various other mild exposures to numbers of other langs. ok <_BC> i'm an olde to some circles. 14+ years of messin with cpu's. <_BC> Hi qz personally I'd suggest going about writing your os the way that billyboof is <_BC> and that is? he's got his running on a fat12 dos partition for now while he figures out how he's going to do the file system basically all he's got is booting into protected mode I think that's about the extent of what he has done at the moment but I'd suggest going about it piecemeal like that.... <_BC> how many ideas does he have? has he been working on it very much? I think he's been working at it pretty hard, but not for very long and he hasn't really shared that many ideas with me 01:00am <_BC> i see.. <_BC> but that's the point of a forum like this. :) he's not sure about a lot of it yet I don't think but he's helped to explain a couple things to me <_BC> do you know of a mailing list for hobbyists os design/development? nope there are newsgroups though there are probably mailing lists too, but I don't know of them <_BC> i've come to the conclusion that RTOS' are a wonderful thing. rtos'? <_QZ> os-ideas@tunes.org <_BC> realtime operating systems ah <_BC> ya qz? do you know how buddy lists work? <_BC> isn't that tunes aimed? <_QZ> no you should check out qz's os <_BC> is it majordomo hosted? <_QZ> bc: yes <_BC> i wouldn't mind. its a pretty neat idea, though I think it would be kinda costly on the processor cycles calls and such <_QZ> ruiner: nope <_BC> qz, care to share? :) how could it not be? <_QZ> ruiner: u dont understand it unless you recompile the bricks each time you add one which would get to be a huge pain <_BC> what's it like qz? <_QZ> bc: yer wildest dream :) think of each component as a brick.....together they form the os hence the name brix he likes to talk it up a lot.... <_BC> heheh. really? i didn't think they had holo-ram available yet?? <_QZ> ofcourse they do :) I was debating a processor based on light wavelengths with somebody before... <_BC> i wouldn't mind hearing it from qz, ruiner. I was arguing that it would all get broken down into binary at some point I'm not stopping him <_BC> where? where?! * _BC/#tunes grin <_QZ> bc: u gonna be here later today? <_BC> ohwell, if he doesn't want to thats ok. 01:10am <_BC> i might be. later sunday that is <_QZ> its 2am and im finding it quite difficult to keep my eyes open heh heh......goodnight qz <_BC> good for you :) * _BC/#tunes always has problems sleeping. <_BC> maybe we can chat about our os's later today. <_QZ> ok <_QZ> i will be back here in about 8-12 hours depending on how long i feel like sleeping :) <_BC> ok. hmm ohya i have to tape Monaco... * _BC/#tunes must get a tape to set. -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) <_BC> hey ruiner yes? <_BC> ah still here. yep so tell me about some of your ideas <_BC> well, briefly; an rtos lets you schedule things to happen at a very specific time. not like unix or dos or most os's, example? <_BC> where a function only gets executed when it gets thru all the other code before it. rtos's allow you to have small pieces of <_BC> code run at exact times. like for data collection, or event scheduling or user interaction. hmmmmm <_BC> message passing, can also be hooked into an rtos scheduler, so one process send a message, and then <_BC> immediatly the receiving process' code gets exec'd for reading that message, and acting on it. <_BC> the way windows works, needing IRQ's (more hardware) for this task is purely brain dead. most of the tasks can be done in an rtos way. 01:20am <_BC> software design has always lagged way behind the development of the hardware. we have emmensely powerful supercomputers on our desks, but mostly crap for an OS... heh heh....yep <_BC> current PC's are roughly the same performance as a real supercomputer was 15 years ago. (which is amazing, since I remember that time) the only place I don't think I can out MS is in security....since I want to allow direct access to the hardware I want to give more power back to the programmers <_BC> i have a solution. I don't see the point in having a powerful computer, if windows is gonna make you pass everything through their api... do tell <_BC> in terms of hardware/resource access. <_BC> for one, ALL SYSTEM API'S *MUST**BE**REENTRANT*. <_BC> can i assume you know 'reentrant'? nope <_BC> ok no problem. i'll explain. <_BC> when a function is made for an os, it has various data areas to work on. usually pointers are passed, however, unless it is <_BC> designed for it, the function has at least one set fixed data area for buffering. the function becomes like a 'state' machine. meaning, <_BC> after one call to drinkpop(), that function can't be called again until the first execution of drinkpop() has finished. right <_BC> this causes problems in interrupts, and multitasking, etc. <_BC> that's why multitasking was so painful and crappy on DOS. (heck even win95 ain't that much better ins some ways. it still runs on a DOS base!) I'm not too terribly impressed with linux either 01:30am <_BC> so.. code must be written to preserve its state somewhere else. on the stack, or in allocated memory. then the function migh be able to be called reentract. <_BC> what's wrong with linux? it just doesn't have much of what I'd want in an os <_BC> how so? apps? <_BC> the way it works? is it too slow? right, there aren't that many *Good* games for it......there are compatability issues since ms pretty much determines the standards....(office documents for example), and at times, it can be really cryptic I was first and foremost a gamer which is why I switched to win95.....otherwise I'd still be using dos I hate 95 <_BC> true. the os (any unice type) is very cryptic. and can be one hell of a headache to work in. but that is the unix heritage speaking. if the os support pgms could be redone, it might be much better. <_BC> yah, w9x sucks, however, it's the "only game in town"... or close to it. if I can create an os that can compete as far as performance, I think I have a game plan to really carve out a niche in the home market business would have to wait for a second version...security just scares the pants off me <_BC> ok, but performance for what? what do you mean for what? <_BC> 'compete as far as performance'. what would it do? thats a pretty broad question....can you be more specific? <_BC> yes. well you hope to have a home market. and you might get good performance from your os. what niche are you looking at? other than simple 'home market'. 01:40am <_BC> does that make sense? <_BC> if not, skip it. it's late:) programming, productivity, gaming programming to build support from the developer side gaming to get people to want it and productivity so they can justify getting it <_BC> i like your list. thanx <_BC> are you a coder? trying to be I'm learning asm I know some C already <_BC> do you know c? c is the category whose objects are valid observable types through which we look at programs, and whose arrows are interactions we are allowed to do on programs and I used to know VB and Qbasic really well <_BC> ok. want some advice? sure <_BC> concentrate C (or C++). asm is ok to know for now, but it's on the way out, as far as a programmer goes. you'll almost be wasting your effort. <_BC> erm, concenrate ON C ( that is ) actually....a niche I'd really like to pick up would be graphics and music <_BC> neat. i've always been into gfx. I don't buy that asm will always be around.....its the fastest code you can write (so long as you know what you're doing) <_BC> don't buy that asm is out? compilers will never match well thought out asm code for efficiency <_BC> that is very true. however, cpu's are becoming superscalar, and pipelined so much that it could be a headache unto itself for a programmer to write anything in it. heh <_BC> there are times when the code generator is braindead, and the pgmr has to fix it in asm.. but that is rare. what are your thoughts on the K7 btw? <_BC> don't know that much about it, but it sounds like a reasonable step forward. not on par with the intel generations tho. <_BC> and you? WHAT?!? how can you say that? intel won't have anything that can compare until 2001 01:50am <_BC> i haven't heard that. i haven't really heard that much about it really. hold on a sec btw.....have you heard anything about inferno? <_BC> nop one of the head honchos on the unix project for at&t is leading it up.....the guy who wrote the c programming language check this out... <_BC> Dennis Richie or Kernigan? http://www.pcvelocity.com/hardware/previews/K7/k7.shtml <_BC> ok. i'll see it tomorrow. <_BC> thanks richie I think <_BC> trivia time. what decade was the Mouse invented? 60's wasn't it? same time as a gui <_BC> 10 points! <_BC> who invented the Mouse and the gui? heck....I can't remember.....I think he wore glasses though <_BC> hehehee <_BC> i can't quite recall the name now... I can remember seeing part of the video of it from tech ed class <_BC> kool wasn't it! amazing he could do that in 1968! it was kinda cheesy actually <_BC> for the time it was astounding. true <_BC> time for some sleep.. ok goodnight <_BC> goodnight. obtw, the hardware solution has to do with a "proxy". ah 02:00am <_BC> byebye -:- SignOff _BC: #TUNES (I toss myself out of an airlock and try to sing....) -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Leaving) 02:10am -:- NetSplit: mccaffrey.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [03:28am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [mccaffrey.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: mccaffrey.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net -:- timestamp [dancer2@207.16.36.12] has joined #Tunes -:- NetSplit: drexelhill.pa.us.opirc.nu split from mccaffrey.openprojects.net [03:31am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [drexelhill.pa.us.opirc.nu] -:- smoke [smoke@195.96.122.125] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[sloth.wcug.wwu.edu]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us347.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- smkl [sami@MCXXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes Gakuk! elim garak! hcf: if you say so! is that from the same language as gakuk? no, a character on DS9 DS9 is not on air in France. Although maybe it's on cable. * Fare/#Tunes can't make a difference between DS9 and another STng thats too bad -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[MCXXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi]) 09:30am -:- smkl [sami@MCXLIV.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Connection reset by pear) -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) forum ? bad window howdy! hi Fare. Finland just losed to Czech 10:50am how many suicides followed the event? forum logic programming language? nope; never heard about that one just the news system of the ENS it was just like 10 minutes ago. only about 10000 reported ATM plus the support song - it's singing is now fordidden (death penalty) ATM? at the moment oh i'll go soon back to the barracks - the war was declared immediately and i'm in the rapid deployment force 11:00am well, war hasn't been declared, in France, but doesn't mean a thing, since the previous major wars in which we have been involved since 1945 have never been declared, either !mccaffrey.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT drexelhill.pa.us.opirc.nu 8005 from lilo -:- timestamp [dancer2@207.16.36.12] has joined #Tunes http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~dale/forum/ wasn't even on the review page 11:10am it's from the maker of lambda prolog Grrr. Had I known this before I made my presentation of Linear Logic, that would have helped me! 11:20am somebody said MS will use Haskell as their next generation language why not? after all even M$ can't do it ALL wrong they have hired lots of world top researchers at MSR perhaps they will use haskell for their intentional programming project 11:30am hmm. principles and design for ml2000 11:40am smkl: is that a book? a web page? a conference? the only good ML is OCAML, anyway! a paper at luca cardelli's page ml2000 will probably be quite close to ocaml why not adopt ocaml as is? ;-> the SML fun vs val thingy is annoying to begin with then, ocaml does it right for types with uninstanciated type variables. in SML, you can't type val a = [] ;; whereas ocaml will accept it. 11:50am it would be too hard to screw their own research projects hehe, looks like it is so even among research people, the weight of tradition and past choices, even knowingly bad, is too heavy. 12:00pm -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (KKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRR) -:- NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [12:34pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net -:- smoke [smoke@195.96.122.125] has joined #Tunes -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [01:49pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -lilo(lilo@216.172.86.2)- [Global Notice] Hi all. 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Thanks. -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [02:36pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- _QZ has changed the topic on channel #Tunes to: http://www.tunes.org - Free Reflective Computing System || JAZZ WON!!! -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250115.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes what's up qz? <_QZ> not much <_QZ> how goes retro? 06:50pm oh, pretty good.. it's gonna be on the net pretty soon.. hey, I'm trying to think of a good novel to base a game on.. you ever read "ringworld" or something like that? <_QZ> uhh no hmm.. surely you've heard of william gibson but I don't wanna do that nothing that involves a "matrix" :) you read novels? <_QZ> i know of william gibson <_QZ> the only novels i read are star trek <_QZ> all other books are technical figures ;) 07:00pm how's your game going anyways? 07:10pm <_QZ> its not <_QZ> i cant get glut to work oh I keep telling ya to write it from scratch anyway <_QZ> i started to program it using mesatk but decided not to <_QZ> cuz mesatk is not portable who cares if it's portable, if it doesn't work.. that's what I say.. <_QZ> and mesatk sucks compared to glut I got some 3D docs and stuff laying around learned a lot since I was messing with that stuff.. calc, asm.. allright, I got it you want this thing called 3dkit it's fast, but looks good 3dkit by Paul Sheer, from South Africa oh.. hehe 07:20pm it's included in svgalib under examples <_QZ> no, i want glut <_QZ> cuz then it will run on windows and linux <_QZ> and glut is opengl so it will use all the 3d cards supported by opengl hehe.. you know how many games I've planned to write? know how many i finished? 9 s/9/0/ 07:30pm <_QZ> :) heh.. I thought you were dead 07:40pm i'm reading what _BC said this morning about RTOS's.. interesting.. he seems to know what he's talking about 07:50pm <_QZ> im on the fone <_QZ> whats that linux company that sells linux the name is 3 letters and started with an l? dunno <_QZ> ah lsl <_QZ> wow lsl is giving away redhat 6 for free <_QZ> 2 cd's for zip -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh6-port210.snet.net] has joined #tunes 08:00pm whats up everyone hey reading the IRC log from this morning so you have an OS too? yeah... working on one you got a web page for it yet? mine's tunes.org/~tcn/retro.html ... feel free to borrow code I hear you at least have a FS already :) 08:10pm >>> tcn [tcn@cci-209150250115.clarityconnect.net] requested PING 926910700 313502 from #tunes oh sorry i was on efnet.. :) heh umm ... no i don't have a FS net... not even fat? i'm using FAT currently, since i run win98 and have a second HD... i just compile my load image to D:\pmcom.com and reboot, tell bios to boot off the D: but tonight i'm going to work on rewriting functions for int 13h in pmode I take it you found john fine's page :) yeah... i've been there... didn't use any of his stuff though... i got my pmode crap from someone on efnet... I started writing a VM86 handler awhile ago.. it's complicated, though. umm... i don't have a webpage, haven't bothered with it yet... i don't really want to download anyone elses code since i won't ever be releasing full source ... i mean little bits and pieces yeah, but not the whole program... It worked with int 10h no problem, printing characters.. i'm not using a vm86 to do disk io... i'm writing the functions to do it... 08:20pm need any floppy/IDE docs? ummm... actually if you have the IDE docs that'd be nice... right now i'm kinda working off a master port list + linux source... there C++ is a bitch to rewrite as .asm allright.. I haven't read all this stuff yet, but it looks useful ok cool thanks.. how far are you with the os? -:- HickServ [Algernon@209.68.229.165] has joined #tunes oh, look at my web page :) =))) hickserv.. hehe hey qz long time no see do you not hang around in #os on efnet anymore cause it's poorly managed it is you know :\ shit auto-dcc? :) yeah well it went fast i have to setup a DLS directory under my desktop ... it's getting cluttered as a mofo I bet what's qz's website again? anyway, my os.. I started in August, and now it's about where I thought I'd be by October :) HickServ: www.qzx.com opposite for me i haven't even started the bootloader ;( get GRUB, I heard that makes it easy on you ;) I did mine the hard way, but it's not really interesting, just a pain in the ass yeah i can't get the damn code to work dcc it to me tcn: i did the samee billyboof: as hickserv? my bootsector scans the root of the bootdrive and loads PMCOM.COM into 2000h:0h um it went bye bye <_QZ> HickServ: do i know u? hehe im gonna get nasm yes from a long time ago in #os on efnet then using a temp GDT it swaps to pmode and jumps to 10h:20000h which is all pmode code.. 08:30pm <_QZ> hmm billy: were you the one who said you should switch to pmode witht eh bootloader? you don't have too, but there is plenty of room to do so, so why not..? well i just like to be modular only disadvantage to that is the only place you can *ever* use bios interrupts is in your bootsector.. heh hmmm actually... I use an extended bootsector it's gonna be a bitch to write all those interrupts if you do the switch to pmode in the bootsector, it'll make your code more modular... guys, guys, you don't have to duplicate the IBM BIOS :) it sucks anyway because your bootsector will run, then when you do the far jmp to your kernel or whatever, the whole thing is pmode hmmmm ok well bye see yas later ok bye then -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (watching the simpsons) you can always do paging, tasking, etc, later yep... that's how i do it.. he quit on us like that for the simpsons?? sheeesh... heh my bootsector just loads a big boot image at 0x7E00 that's cool... how are you doing memory management? buddy lists? or what else is there other than a simple bitmap? I don't have management per se, just allocation well yeah... how do you keep the lists of whats free/used? that's for me to figure out in the coming weeks :) oh... damn... you have a language running on your os but no memory management? :) I might use both page-grained and byte-grained management oh, forth has it's own crude form of memory management not me.... i'm using 4k,8k,16k,32k,64k,128k,256k,512k,1024k,2048k grained.. a large-grained MM for dealing with big chunks efficiently.. -:- carlito [sabanmr@137.28.135.27] has joined #tunes -:- jcurious [curious@209.122.205.117] has joined #tunes I guess the fine-grained MM would be part of garbage collection.. and it wouldn't be part of the whole system -:- carlito [sabanmr@137.28.135.27] has left #tunes [] 08:40pm yeah... GC could compact things down really tightly :) you know how linux does the buddy lists? no my MM will be tied to persistent storage, when I add it -:- SignOff jcurious: #TUNES (changing servers) i was thinking of doing that.. persistence? i'm not totally sure what you're saying, but possible... like where all memory would be stored to disk, or where the disk would be kinda cached with ram... like i said not totally sure if you're saying what i was thinking of... you got the idea ok good... cause i don't like feeling stupid :) i am going to set it up though where shutdown would involve swapping everything to the swapfile, and then changing the bootup so it loads the computer back to the way it was... and so restart would actually close everything out and restart the system from scratch... i wish intel would have make the p3's have 64bit addressing... cause then i'd make the swapfile be the filesystem... that's a half-measure huh? pretty soon HD's will be more than 2^64 bytes umm.... i don't really think so... 2^36 = 64gig.... 08:50pm what about the internet based supercomputer? :) 2^60=1024gig.... so you'd have 16000gig with 2^64 yeah actually i guess... i guess that's what the problem was with ibm and 530mb... :) hehe >2^16 sectors but how long before you can see 16384gigs of local disks on a computer... or was it clusters? some mainframes already exceed 16TB IBM's big one, for example hmmm ... oh well .. :) guess i can forget that idea then .. ;) well, well, intel needs to come out with 128bit processors then .. :) 10 years from now, anything with a 2^64 limit could be shaky.. yeah... i know that.... I think a 'proper' method would even work with 8-bit computers even 4-bit :) 'proper' ? I mean, a method that won't get outdated soon something that can handle growth :) i guess... :) not 8-bit... no chance.... for messing around, do what works :) 16-bit maybe.... that's pushing it though... 32-bit is too small of a limit for me.. :) I'd like to come up with a system composed of 1-bit 'processing elements' hmm, I think they call those 'gates' :) i'd also like to smoke crack, but you won't catch me doing so... :) ... that's kinda crazy you should try sage hahhaha or parsely :) i had a friend almost die from using drugs... i'll just stick to my cigarettes... and the drink once and a while... :) 09:00pm oh well ... i'm going to code for a while... so for the time being.... * billyboof/#tunes is /away seriously though, in the long term we'll be doing something equivalent to 5000 8-bit computers later :) -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (sleep!) 09:10pm -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from carter.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is carter.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from carter.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Sun Jan 24 1999 at 15 50:17 EST(from carter.openprojects.net) -:- carter.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(19)] 7% -:- [global users on irc(97)] 36% -:- [invisible users on irc(169)] 64% -:- [ircops on irc(20)] 8% -:- [total users on irc(266)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(35)] (avg. 7 users per server) -:- [total channels created(69)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !carter.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 26 (25 clients) -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: http://www.tunes.org - Free Reflective Computing System || JAZZ WON!!! -:- topic set by _QZ [Sun May 16 17:31:31 1999] -:- [Users(#Tunes:4)] [ TUNES ] [ billyboof ] [ timestamp ] [ _QZ ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.300 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- ruiner [nate@ppp339.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes whats up ruiner 10:30pm just got home that's cool.... whats shaking over there? not too much.... i'm procrastinating ... don't feel like decripting linux code for harddrive access... :) ah i's a really big bitch... linux code is sooo jumbled... i hate having it as a primary reference... :( s/i's/it's heh heh gonna go see star wars that's cool... same w/ a couple of my friends here... I meant to put a question mark on the end of that but I'm going too oh... no i'm not... why not? just not that interested... i may see it when it comes out on video... so you been doing any programming? nope hopefully this summer I'll really get at it probably not, but I have hopes hhaahha... been reading up anyways? not really i need to but a book on hardware programming... heh heh me too actually cause everyone who's into os coding that i've talked to could only provide examples of how to read from the floppy drive... i don't even have a floppy... :( 10:40pm what do you mean you dont' have a floppy? i don't have a floppy drive on that computer.. did you take it out after you installed the os? i built another computer for my parents, it's in that computer.. never used it anyhow... too slow ... its necessary its the old reliable I really need to get laid that was random as hell, but same here ... you'd think that in 21 years I could figure out how you're 21 and haven't gotten any yet? I'll be 21 as of may 30 and I'm not gonna until I'm married not that that takes away the desire or anything....just my own personal little hell 10:50pm or one of them.... part of your religion or something? not really I could explain it....but not now.....I'm not in the mood to explain I'm in the mood to break something or get fuct abi: suck it? bah not here hahaha some manson will calm me down I wonder what tina would do if I went up to here and said ich bin geil, fick mich I'd probably get slapped ich bin geil ... whats that all mean? ich bin geil = I am horny fick mich = fuck me hahaah what language is that? german to swim you have to swallow pista es bueno