IRC log started Tue Jun 1 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0601 -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) <_QZ> ah man rasterman left redhat <_QZ> he says redhat sucks <_ruiner_> it does <_ruiner_> they're peckers <_ruiner_> they're worse than those dorks at caldera <_QZ> hey <_QZ> caldera is kewl <_QZ> caldera is fighting m$ and they are local to utah <_ruiner_> they're all more interested about making more money <_QZ> redhat has sold out to the corporate world <_QZ> they want linux to be a windows look-alike <_ruiner_> yeah <_QZ> john carmack said redhat 6 is the first linux he likes :) <_ruiner_> bah! <_QZ> cuz of gnome <_QZ> that makes me feel better cuz i just bought redhat 6 12:20am <_ruiner_> I'm thinking of going slackware or debian again <_QZ> i think u should get out of windows <_QZ> now <_ruiner_> whys that? 12:30am <_ruiner_> HELLO? <_QZ> windows uscks <_QZ> sucks <_ruiner_> yeah I know <_ruiner_> I'm going to try to see if I can afford 2 new comps this summer <_ruiner_> I'll put dos and debian on one <_QZ> u dont need another comp, just install linux <_ruiner_> and probably use that as a server <_QZ> crap, its 1:30 <_ruiner_> I need new computers.....must play with networking <_QZ> cya <_ruiner_> later -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (kernel panic) 12:40am -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-220-96.s350.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Mein Laven) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-254-86.s86.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250126.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250121.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes abi: seen Fare Fare was last seen saying something on IRC Sun May 30 18:18:02 1999 abi: time time is 07:44:36 1999 07:50am -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-066.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes Ughh... 6 seconds lag... Anyone here today? 08:40am -:- SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Read error to Beholder[ppp-066.m4-1.osh.ican.net]: Connection reset by peer) hum 09:10am -:- iStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #tunes gakuk! ipplestein! 09:20am uh? i can make up words too -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1008.javanet.com] has joined #tunes if you wish 09:30am oh hmm 10:00am -:- Gonzo [user3859@digi12.podernet.com.mx] has joined #Tunes * AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations Gonzo!" :-) -:- Gonzo [user3859@digi12.podernet.com.mx] has left #Tunes [] -:- TJ-31 [sami@MCCXL.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1008.javanet.com] has joined #tunes oh hmm 10:40am om 10:50am -:- NetSplit: gibson.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [12:14pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [gibson.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: gibson.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- TJ-31 [sami@MCCXL.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 263 hrs 40 min 46 secs hey Tril hi are you smkl? yeah what's up 12:40pm TJ 31!!!! is that from Star Wars? I haven't seen it yet. i will have admission test tomorrow no i don't like star wars Tril: hav u seen jmc's papers? you mean John McC? yes I've seen the page with links to them.. :) r u working on a tunes glossary engine? not me! But it would be great if someone did. the way it sounded the other day, u were planning to do it well, I was planning to split news into text files, and then after I did that I might continue and do the same for Glossary. I might do it, but it's not a high priority. news into text not html? so feel free to do it or find someone else to do it before me Not html, because we want to be able to generate different views of the same data. Text, or maybe a database engine, would be translated into HTML as needed. different views of news items? i totally agree w/ the above for glos & rev If you noticed in the repository, files are .phtml which means they are just some format which gets turned into html. semi-meta That's so we can easily migrate to using any other format which gets processed into html. News items, well, sure they are essentially tiny database records. They have a date, author, and a short message with embedded URLs. 12:50pm They need to be at least automatically rotatable. which implies they are separatable And if we ever get a common "style" for the entire web site, the news page is included and will have to be able to be drawn in multiple styles. sounds good brb gotta go to class * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] 01:00pm -:- ruiner [blah@ppp016.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes anybody here? i am cool what are you working on? nothing much, ATM hmmmm.... any ideas grinding away in the gears upstairs? umm ... i'm writing a game now what genre? settlers clone/rgp rpg never heard of settlers it's rts 01:20pm anybody here know how long it took linus to code the first linux kernel? ruiner: heres some info: http://www.bromberg.demon.nl/linux/history.htm om -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us646.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us1008.javanet.com]) ok, that was somewhat helpful -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf how does the linux filesystem work? ruiner: Analysis of the Ext2fs structure @ http://step.polymtl.ca/~ldd/ext2fs/ext2fs_toc.html rock on! you da man hcf! 01:30pm this file system is crap 01:40pm fat almost seems better than this hehehe whats up zo? 02:10pm nuttin just futting around... gonna get new wheelz fer me kar tomorrow... sweet kan't reallie afford dem but de old onez are bent. =\ what'd you do to it? pothole ergh I need new struts and shocks 02:30pm -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Leaving) hum 02:40pm hello Fare -:- SignOff TJ-31: #TUNES (tj 30) 02:50pm -:- SignOff iStormy: #TUNES (iStormy has no reason) -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh13-port76.snet.net] has joined #tunes B00F!!!!! AlonzoTG!!!!! * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 3 hrs 48 min 10 secs So what are you draging yourself in here for tonite? who? problem concentrating on one thing. 04:50pm -:- whatever [daniel@dsb.smart.net] has joined #Tunes hello, whatever Hi. I'm just trying to figure out what's on these IRC channels at linux.com. -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Ping timeout for AlonzoTG[209-122-254-86.s86.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com]) this is TUNES, a project to make a reflective computing environment. That's one that has its source code inside it, and you can interact with it. Partly like Java reflection (where you can find out what fields and methods are defined in compiled files)? Right, but built in and available to regular users, too. like "Show me the source code to this button on the screen here", and you modify it and change the behavior of the button right there. Squeak has that, but it uses message passing, and we like functional programming instead. Oh. Ok. Well, I'd better go look at the other channels. Thanks for the orientation. no prob, have fun (#debian is my favorite) Is #debian just Debian-specific, or is it a good place to ask general Linux questions? (I want to check on SCSI card I'm thinking of buying) 05:00pm oh they won't mind. Ok. Thanks. Bye. the worst thing that happens is that nobody answers you. :) -:- whatever [daniel@dsb.smart.net] has left #Tunes [] or u get DoS'd not on opirc those ppl get k-lined very easily -:- NetSplit: asimov.openprojects.net split from irc.linux.com [05:07pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [asimov.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: asimov.openprojects.net irc.linux.com -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us646.javanet.com] has joined #Tunes -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh13-port76.snet.net] has joined #Tunes 05:10pm -:- SignOff billyboof: #TUNES (hatefull@antisocial.com) * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-254-86.s86.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes sdf -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us646.javanet.com]) 05:30pm -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us708.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes <_QZ> Fare: u here? <_QZ> mount -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nosuid borg:/ /mnt/borg/ <_QZ> how would i add that to /etc/fstab 06:40pm * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 1 hrs 40 min 50 secs <_QZ> i solved that problem so no one needs to answer it qz the 4th field is mount options just take the "option=x,option=x,blah,blah,blah" and put it in the 4th column u can find that in "man fstab" qz? what, you are asking uniks questions? geepers, I thought you were g0d 07:00pm THAT is why linux sucks. i agree unix is pain because every program has its own configuration file format you have to learn. 07:10pm <_QZ> oh btw, if yer ever installing linux on a machine with a ps/2 mouse u gotta add ps/2 mouse support in the kernel <_QZ> its a must :) before installation? <_QZ> i spent hours today trying to get a new kernel to work on my friends box <_QZ> the install kerenl had everything in the kernel <_QZ> and i was using gdm so it will just sit there and pop the monitor as gdm fails, retries, fails,... ow <_QZ> after a few hours i turned off gdm and found out it was the mouse <_QZ> and u also need serial support to use a modem :) yer learning the very first thing to do is compile your kernel with everytrhing you want in it and read the help on every option so you know what it does <_QZ> i know howt ocompile a kernel <_QZ> i just have never compiled one for a ps/2 mouse system <_QZ> and i only have a modem in my server which i rarely ever upgrade its kernel 07:20pm <_QZ> hey do u have an awe32? nope * AlonzoTG/#tunes has ps/2 mousey <_QZ> do u know how the kernel pnp works? never got it to work. it works with 2.0.32 but not 2.0.35 <_QZ> with 2.0.34 i had to put my awe32 support in a module and load it after i ran isapnp I am too lame to upgrade beyond that... yeah, u install pnptools. then run pnpdump, edit the resulting file to yer PNP settings of your card, run some other pnp prog to load the file. <_QZ> but 2.2.7 has pnp in the kernel well ok maybe it changed, and i have never done it but from what I gather PNP is one of the hardest things to get working in linux <_QZ> it was easy with 2.0.34 and isapnp look in Documentation/ for pnp docs? <_QZ> hmm <_QZ> there is an awe32 doc in there, and it says to do the same thing i did with 2.0.34 <_QZ> no pnp docs in the kernel <_QZ> crap <_QZ> look in the /drivers/pnp dir <_QZ> is for the stupid parallel port <_QZ> s/is/its/ go ask some linux channel 07:30pm I dont use pnp devices because they dont even work in windows, much less linux hehe I have a PNP soundcard and it works just fine in DOS =) ATG: Only if you load the driver. 07:40pm sure... DOS does it automatically... no problem... =) 07:50pm -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp419.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes * AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations _ruiner_!" :-) -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-062.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> hi zo Hey guys y0 Hi! Hey Tril, haven't chatted with you in a long while! :) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) yeah So, anythingnew? i'm almost out of school for the summer <_ruiner_> congrats Cool. I've been out for a while now. 08:10pm Hmm... I have a lag of 1 second, even after being behind my proxy with my girlfriend downloading a bunch of files... I wonder how? <_ruiner_> easy.... <_ruiner_> you're a freak of nature and a violation of physics <_ruiner_> ;-p Love you too :) hehe sorry but i'm leaving now :) Actually it jumps all over the place... but no more than 3 secons email me * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] Sorry we could't chat tril So what's the topic of discussion tonight? <_ruiner_> hmmmmmm <_ruiner_> up to you I gues <_ruiner_> s Never seen you here before, are you in the Tunes m-list? <_ruiner_> nope So how'd you find our little channel? 08:20pm <_ruiner_> I was piddling around on irc......I put in linpeople cuz I played quake on it <_ruiner_> and viola, I find the tunes room The Q3 Test? <_ruiner_> nope -:- krz [krz@d6.owo.com] has joined #tunes Plain ol' Quake? <_ruiner_> I used to play quake 1 on linpeople Ahh... Linux is a very nice OS <_ruiner_> I'm using windows <_ruiner_> but yeah.....plain old quake You part of a clan? <_ruiner_> nope Hello Krz (sorry for the delay) We usually discuss essoteric aspects of Operating System design here, but it seems quite quiet tonight. Tunes is an OS development project. 08:30pm <_ruiner_> who are you telling this to? most likely me.. but I already knew that :) Anyone who's listening.... <_ruiner_> I've known it since like the first day I was here Sorry about the redundancy then :) Beholder: no problem I'm the project coordinator, so I'm supposed to sell the idea ;) <_ruiner_> ah ahh.. Any of you two into emulation or programming? 08:40pm i get paid to program.. so yeah :) krz: So do I :) But not PC's... krz: Business? Industrial? Research? <_ruiner_> I'm into programming <_ruiner_> I wanna make my own os someday <_ruiner_> I only know C right now Beholder: i do alot of "programming for fun" type stuff, but my job is in the games insdustry (Origin) krz: Ultima online costs too much.... heheh Beholder: I'll tell 'em about it .. i don't work on that project Krz: Which one? Which one is probably better? Beholder: they haven't announced it yet.. so i can't say Beholder: where do you work? krz: Understood. I'd like to work in the game industry also, but I do industrial control yeah, i was lucky, i got this job right out of school.. <_ruiner_> ultima online is a good idea......too bad its implemented wrong my favorite part is that i mostly write for UNIX :) krz: I work for a company that does a buch of stuff for a bunch of companies :) (GM, Atlantic Packaging, Mackie Automotive, Automodular Assembly... mostly automotive stuff) _ruiner_: how so? Beholder: interesting.. <_ruiner_> lag _ruiner_: ahh.. yeah.. <_ruiner_> origin could have done a lot better by using something thats fallen by the wayside.... <_ruiner_> local bbs's <_ruiner_> no lag Krz: Not really... I program little machines with 20K of ram... in Ladder (and-or) logic. <_ruiner_> give away the server software....make players buy the clients _ruiner_: but then you can't have 100's of people playing in the same world _ruiner_: but I agree.. lag is/was a problem Krz: So you work on a project for Origin that will be released for UNIX?! That's very good... Beholder: well my part won't be released.. <_ruiner_> depends on what kind of bbs itis krz: Oh... you're just maintenece, or tool development? Beholder: naw.. to give ya a hint.. my "title" is "network programmer" krz: Ahh :) The IMPORTANT part of this particual project :) heheh... I liked the old Ultima series... they were cool. I hope they release them again with current technology Beholder: yeah :) .. hehe.. the important part :) 08:50pm <_ruiner_> I'm 897330 on icq if you guys feel like adding me <_ruiner_> the more contacts I can have in the game industry the better <_ruiner_> hehe.. i would, but i don't have ICQ and I can't really say anything .. so i'm not that good of a contact krz: How's the wing commander series going (if you can talk about it)... I liked thoes games too. <_ruiner_> eh....s'ok <_ruiner_> even just having somebody to run ideas by is cool Beholder: umm.. I really haven't heard anything about that.. I think it might be kinda dead .. :) krz: NP, the last one sucked :) Beholder: hehe, and from what I hear at team meetings.. the movie was pretty bad :) <_ruiner_> YES IT WAS! hehehehe krz: I went to see that damn thing and paid full price!! Crap!!! I was so dissapointed. My damn friends talked me into it... I haven't seen it :) krz: Actually I was just joking about the UO thing... the Second age game is actually much cheaper. I think Everquest is getting more popular at this point though. I have a few friend who seem to really enjoy that one. Beholder: yeah, I think UO is now around $9/mo .. EQ is getting popular, but it is hard to tell how long it will last Beholder: I've never played it, but from what I've heard there isn't a whole lot more than combat Krz: I play the text based mud's. Everquest is very similar Beholder: same here, do they have "craftables" .. I mean, can you be something else than a warrior (ex: blacksmith?) 09:00pm Krz: In everquest or the text ones? I'm not sure about everquest, but I know Realms of Despair (text) has many classes, but none are much more than glorified warriors, with differing abilities. I'm sure they could add in the functionality (text games can change very quickly), but I guess they don't think anyone want's to be a merchant type person Beholder: I was asking about EQ .. yeah, I don't think alot of people would want to be a merchant type.. but some do .. Beholder: that was one of things I liked about UO.. you had those options, it was cool that almost everything available in the game could be made by a player Krz: I usually play Cleric's (my favorite type), but it seems they are one of the hardest characters to advance in this particular game Krz: Like items, and areas, and monsters? Beholder: yeah, items and such krz: The text based ones only allow immortals to create items and areas. You can do magic on items to give them differing abilities, but to create an original item you have to be an Imm (granted by other imms krz: Actually, I'm just genralizing... I've only played SMAUG, and ICE based text MUD's Beholder: yeah, I used to play MUDs when I first got to college (first internet connection) Beholder: I understand :) There was one MUD that was almost totally player driven, I was a farmer :) Made good money krz: Yea, it's an addiction :) I actually don't play anymore. I was thinking of writing a free online mud done in Java or something... Beholder: total addiction, I stole soo much of my time :) free stuff is good :) krz: I have many people willing to host, and lots of people who wish to contribute, just gotta get to writing an engine :) krz: The OS projects stuff (not to mention work!) take a lot of time ahh.. the all important engine :) Beholder: I can understand, when I get home from work I don't really feel like programming, unless I'm working on something fairly exciting krz: An online game where players are the people who make it, is nothing more than an engine :) krz: Especially doing dull stuff like network programming! ;) well you have to have some sort of world builders .. at least at first <_ruiner_> I wish I knew enough about networking to program that stuff heheh.. it's not tooo dull :) krz: That's not a problem :) I have many people who are die hard Mud area desiners (and programmers) who are ready and willing to help :) I actually wrote this cool IPX bridge when I was in school, so my friends and I could play starcraft without moving computer (each house has it's own LAN) .. I think that helped get me this job <_ruiner_> thats pretty sweet krz: How'd you do it? <_ruiner_> I want to know how to do stuff like that Beholder: yeah I bet there are lots of people willing to help.. Beholder: the bridge? <_ruiner_> so I don't have to pay for kali 09:10pm krz: Yep it's freely available :) hehehe, but ya prolly don't want it well it worked like Kali (do you know that one?) except instead of working for only 1 computer, it worked for a whole LAN the computers didn't know they were seperated by anything krz: I think I can bridge IPX with my linux box? krz: You bridged over modem? Beholder: prolly.. but this program, had lots of optimizations for squishing packets and such -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250099.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes Beholder: to start yeah, just a straight connection (so I had the full 28.8k bandwidth) ipx headers we cached, so the next time they went over the link they were only 1 byte instead of 30.. I had a "packet diff" thing in there so that only changes to the previous packet were sent this helped for starcraft since it's packets only changed a few bytes each time krz: Kick ass. I've only ever programmed TCP/IP... is IPX much different? all sorts of stuff like that :) Beholder: well I actually read/wrote raw ethernet frames.. but IPX is pretty simple.. i had to make up my own serial protocol, which I based off of PPP then when my friend graduated (and moved) I stuck in UDP krz: That would be considered a layer-3 circut level proxy :) in the end.. each starcraft player took about 120b/s .. so that was cool Beholder: sounds cool! :) krz: I took some Cisco brainwashing... errrr... training :) haha hehehe.. I have a sysadmin friend who I think is going through that as well.. krz: Cisco is to networks that Microsoft is to Operating systems... Beholder: yeah, I've heard of them :) any company that advertises that much has to be full of shit tcn: Yea... "We Run the Internet"... hehehe <_ruiner_> no no no <_ruiner_> cisco routers are actually pretty dependable Sadly enough they aren't the technologically superior routing company... just like 500 other routers <_ruiner_> ms products are not actually Cisco routers have had lots of security flaws rui: Have you ever worked with one?! Thoese damn things have bugs... lots of em... They randomly decide not to work (when they feel like it!) Just like Windows :) you see them all the time in CERT, bugtraq, etc. <_ruiner_> nah, haven't worked with one <_ruiner_> I hear they have a firewall that hasn't been hacked yet though rui: I worked for an ISP for a year... had to set a couple up... what a nightmare... _ruiner_: that's because they haven't sold one yet hehehehe :) :) At my school they have a kick ass firewall system that's PC based and runs on a highly modified FreeBSD... seems to work very well 09:20pm like one of my cs profs once said, "You can't crash FreeBSD with a tank..", but then again.. he smoked crack. krz: So is origin looking for Direct3D/GL programmers? (if you're allowed to say) it is pretty solid.. but it's not as easy as linux Beholder: actually.. yeah, they are looking for a 3d guy, and that person would be my office-mate :) hehe krz: FreeBSD is pretty stable... We replaced a crappy linux box with FreeBSD for the mail server I know.. the *BSD's are stable as all hell man, linux screwed up bad the other day when I mounted a corrupt fs.. "ahhh.. kernel panic! " fortunately I was just screwing around with my old 486 tcn: ouch tcn: Backups are wonderful :) I had a kernel panic the other day..because of a flakey hd heh krz: What Unix do you work with? it ought to be more tolerant of mere fs errors Beholder: one of the machines on my desk is x86/Solaris krz: The only one I really loved was Solaris :) (Mmmm.... 20" display Sparc 20 box) "oh my god, I /tmp/lksjdfsd.3223 is corrupt! it's the end of the world" tcn.. DAMN! not /tmp/lkjsjdfsh.3223 !!! i could understand /lib/ld-linux.so... but this...? don't ask me why they run x86/Solaris.. but I think x86 hardware is cheaper krz: You haven't seen unix as... beautiful until you see it on a Sparc machine... soo sweet... Even though a Sparc 20 is only equivelent to a 486dx4/100, I still want it back krz: We only crashed the thing once.... I accidentally kicked the plug... krz: Uptime of 14 months (as long as I worked at the ISP) Beholder: I dunno, Solaris was kind of a pain the beginning.. ahh.. but for reliablity, it hasn't stopped running since they plugged it in :) sun's have come a long way, I guess my win9x machine.. well.. that's another story Hell, even the FreeBSD machine wen't down once... krz: heheh... win9x = reboot every couple of hours ;) Beholder: pretty much.. I just use it for mail and the ocasional .mp3 or .mod :) krz: Actually for some reason my Laptop is rock solid with Win9x, but my desktop crashes way too often... <_ruiner_> mod files rule! Mod :) Haven't seen that in a while _ruiner_: yeah.. they are cool <_ruiner_> fast tracker is the best i liked 'em soooo much.. I've even wrote a mod player :) My DVD rom doesn't rip digitally well... Audio Catalyst 2.0 is a godsend :) ft2.. ugh.. pain in the ass to replay <_ruiner_> no kidding? what is audio catalyst? wouldn't be bad .. except for the total lack of documentation <_ruiner_> you are my hero krz.....I'm not being sarcastic either I only used ft2 for sampling.. screamtracker and later impulsetracker, for composing impulse tracker has a nice file format.. but it is complex as all hell to replay to replay? F5..? Audio Catalyst is a CD ripping/normalizing/MP3'ing program... all in one solution type deal. It has Analoge caption (record with sound card) tcn: i mean.. writing code to replay :) Beholder: ahhh 09:30pm trying to write a player that plays all different formats is a bit tricky, since each one does things differently.. krz: I only rip my OWN CD's :) I like to have my music on my laptop too _ruiner_: i'm not that great of a hero.. after awhile I gave up electronic music altogether, I just use the guitar now Beholder: yeah, .mp3's can be handy :) krz: What!? No one idolizes the guy that makes cars safe? Aren't I more hero material? hehehe hahahaha.. -:- LnIRCer [user@cvx-22.chorus.net] has joined #tunes if I had a car.. I might be convinced.. but I walk to work where do you work? Origin And I help make toilet paper! Isn't that worth something?! Next time you wipe your ass, remember me! hehehe!!! oh, the Ultima people :) Beholder: uhh.. I don't think you want to go around saying that in public. tcn: yup, that's us.. at least part of us -:- SignOff LnIRCer: #TUNES (Read error to LnIRCer[cvx-22.chorus.net]: EOF from client) Actually I only ever helped with the newsprint machine... the other machine is done by someone else :) -:- LnIRCer [user@cvx-22.chorus.net] has joined #tunes my old roommate worked at a pulp mill (doing IS) .. so he did help make toilet paper.. you're wiping your ass with your own future :) <_ruiner_> hi austin hehehe yeah, I live in austin.. used to live in Seattle.. still adjusting to the weather (and timezone) change central timezone sucks.. :) must be fuckin hot yeah.. it is humid too, right? somedays.. yeah, it's just nasty out other days it's pretty good Actually the other place I work is the cardboard tube factory... so when you get to the END of the toilet paper, it might have been me that wrote the program to make the roll the proper size :) My parents lived there for a few years, and moved back to new york :) Beholder: so you are still associated with toilet paper! cool! krz: Who the hell is Lord British, and why does he call himself that? hey I gotta tell you guys about this machine I saw today tcn: yeah, I dunno if I am gonna stay here forever.. all my family is in the pacific northwest -:- SignOff LnIRCer: #TUNES (Ping timeout for LnIRCer[cvx-22.chorus.net]) <_ruiner_> anybody help me out with something? I'm in Canada... it's nice here ;) Beholder: he's "the man" Richard Garriot.. dunno why he calls himself that... Beholder: where in Canada (west, mid, east) ? krz: Is he the CEO of the company? what kinda work you do there, krz? krz: Toronto Area (east) Beholder: nope, but he did start it.. he still is a designer/producer/exec guy tcn: programming :) my project hasn't been announced so I can't say anything krz: Most people live in the east... (70% of Canada I think). so he doesn't run it (the company), and he is still heavily envolved with making games.. krz: Just asking... he's a legend :) -:- Nemesis [Felix@cvx-22.chorus.net] has joined #tunes Good day Ruiner <_ruiner_> hi nemesis This is a much better Client <_ruiner_> heh heh Hi Nemesis Beholder: ahh.. I was just curious.. I used to live about 30 mins from the border (very west edge) .. and I used to go up there.. mostly to buy drugs you couldn't get in the US without a prescription :) <_ruiner_> welcome to the internet's os braintrust Beholder: that he is.. 09:40pm This client is called Felix, awesome! krz: weed? krz: Would you be able to say if they were doing any more Ultima games? ;) krz: Actually the west coast is bad for everything :) Beholder: don't get the wrong impression.. they were pain relievers for my girlfriend's mom (she had super back surgury).. tcn: no .. no "drugs" Every kind of drug possible Ruiner, you really have to get BeOS Beholder: I think they have one coming out soon.. Ultima Ascension.. That's what I mean... not just the illegal ones <_ruiner_> I want to.... <_ruiner_> I'm going to try to get 2 new comps this summer Beholder: plus, with the exchange rate.. things were MUCH cheaper Nem: How's BeOS? <_ruiner_> I wanna stick be and dos on one, and debian and on the other <_ruiner_> errrr... Beholder: I'm sure if you looked around, you might find various rumors about other Ultima games.. <_ruiner_> debian and use it as a server It's very powerful, still can't crash it. gotta go.. girlfriend is home! -:- SignOff krz: #TUNES (c ya!) Do you have it Beholder? Nem: If I did, I wouldn't ask about it ;) I'm very interested in knowing what users like about it It's just so powerful, I use to be a Linux nut, but forget that Nem: I'm the coordinator for Tunes and UniOS.... I haven't had any experience with Be yet, just want to know what makes it so good Well, it's new that for one thing Nem: Are you running it now? yup yup what OS are you running? Nem: 95 at this moment, but I usually run Linux, but I'm on my laptop BeOS's file system is database driven so you can query the whole file system within seconds MS tried to match it with Fast Find, but they still can't get even close to the speed That was one of the ideas for UniOS... I know the advantages! :) It's damn fast Plus a database is more extendabel Where might I find information on UniOS? http://unios.dhs.org <_ruiner_> check the list I gave you yesterday BeOS is the only OS that I know of that is able to work with terabyte audio and video files It's a concept OS at this point though... we're working on a prototype Is the OS a prompted OS? That kicks ass... Wish I had a copy to play with or does it have a GUI? Nem: It's niether at the moment ;) It's on the drawing board ah dammit! my cat won't shut up Nem: Actually it's interface idependent (or will be) But before it's release we're working on a GUI and a text environment