IRC log started Sat Jun 19 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0619 -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-223.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-223.tscnet.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@7dyn53.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[7dyn53.delft.casema.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@7dyn53.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[7dyn53.delft.casema.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@7dyn53.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Read error to smoke[7dyn53.delft.casema.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- s_rr [s_rr@phila-dialup362.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Ping timeout for s_r[phila-dialup254.nni.com]) -:- SignOff s_rr: #TUNES (Ping timeout for s_rr[phila-dialup362.nni.com]) -:- s_r [s_r@phila-dialup001.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@MCDLII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes s! hello Fare 08:40am -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Leaving) how's it going? it'll go badly until 2nd of july results on that day? -:- Beam [nobody3@d87.nnb2.interaccess.com] has joined #tunes hey guys -:- SignOff Beam: #TUNES (changing servers) -:- Beam [nobody3@d87.nnb2.interaccess.com] has joined #tunes Fare: no hello Beam hey. How's it goin? it's going fucking badly bummer smkl: have you anything more to do but wait? smkl: if there's nothing more to do, then enjoy yourself! hey fare the military service will end 2nd july results will be on 30th june (when I passed "exams", I had to revise for oral examinations during the time I didn't have results as to whether or not I would go that far) hey fare, you use rscheme, right? smkl: then on july 2, you're FREE Beam: not Beam: I've compiled it and tested it, but there are things I don't like about it 8D7F00 is a three-byte, one-cycle NOP! (isn't it one-cycle?) really? I thought you liked it. I was just trying to test the persistance feature myself there are lots of things I like about it but even then, not enough to suit my current needs. gotcha 09:00am for instance, it insists on your explicitly managing static compilation; but if it were for such things, I'd use OCAML, not Scheme! i was going to try to write a small program in it, so i could see how the interesting features worked, but i don't think the persistance module was loading for me, and the docs aren't that great. i could imagine writing a efficent static/dynamic compilation balancing algorythm could be a pain. it's still a very interesting project, including its implementation notes did you get persisance to work? I didn't really try, after I saw it was only for data-structures, not for code, and required same code even for data-structures I compiled the persistance module, but didn't try it oh really? interesting are there any that have persistance for code? i'd like to try something other then writing everything in emacs :) not in any LISP I know, although people of Eumel have and so have people of STAPLE and other british projects 09:10am Beam: you can write in vi, if you prefer... (or in cat>) *chuckle* do any of the module systems let you write stuff interactively, then dump the code as a module? emacs? some systems allow you to dump the whole code as a non-modular thing which ones? that sounds interesting CMUCL, clisp, emacs, elk, other scheme implementations, some forth implementations, too cool. thanks some SCM derivatives do, but I believe guile lost this ability along the way to adding lots of unixish features. i can check. do you know what the feature was called in scm? dump? I believe STk has had it, and maybe has it again (STk is a SCM derivative w/ Tk stuff added) guile> (apropos "dump"), returned nothing... must have been lost. 09:20am I *know* it has been lost in guile indeed, it's not compatible with using lots of uncontrolled external libraries whereas the goal of guile is precisely to link to all kinds of stuff heh. good point 09:30am -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ Tril! hello fare I bet the human brain is a kluge. -- Marvin Minsky i already had it that way, Fare. Hum. I feel like coding, today * Tril/#TUNES is still decoding should I code a Scheme interpreter in FORTH, or what? what is the design? the design is the most important part, but is that harder or easier than actually coding? or maybe a Scheme->FORTH compiler in Scheme? i thought you wanted to design a subset of scheme and make it reflective. design: begin by implementing only lambda and set! set? := (set! a b) * Tril/#TUNES fires up the scheme reference manual page do you think CommonLISP would be a better choice than Scheme? design: be straightforward; allow for both read- and write- barriers in the GC. that is, be extremely inefficient, but robust and modular hold on , reading set! docs in CL, that's setq (what's the q in setq meant to mean?) 09:50am * Fare/#Tunes tries to get a "right" directory layout for ~fare/fare before to put it in cvs ok, so 'a' in (set! a b) has to be a location. yup however, setq is more like define, because they will both create a new location and then bind, but set! will not create a location. now i'll find out what setq means , i think i know where i saw that although some Scheme dialects extand its meaning in a way similar to CL's (defun (setq foo) (bar baz quux) ...) oops, I meant setf (setq is rather what I use in elisp) oh, CL also has (set a b) well, then, that's what I thought in the first place. are you going to try to find a minimal reflective lambda system? * Fare/#Tunes goes see the HyperSpec how do you describe lambda-calc using itself? didn't I ask that before? there are way too many ways to set things. lisp is way not orthogonal Tril: just like usually done, except with a reflective operator as in lambdaND Lisp is a language that grew in anarchic ways oh, PSG right :) PSG? now i'll go look up that reflective operator. phrase structure grammar it's just a kwote operator wait, does that answer my question? which question? wht's a phase structure grammar? psg: think of BNF yeah, BNF, I know it's from chomsky. Rule -> A | B , etc but that doesnt answer the question because a line in a grammar (called a production rule) is just like a lambda expression 10:00am so how can it explicitly describe what is implicit in a lambda ? or is it? not sure what you ask non-deterministic lambdas maybe yeah ND is needed ND is your friend, if you learn to tame it ACK! No "Papers" link on the main page?? papers? papers are usually 20-30 pages max, and need be very focused http://www.tunes.org/papers/ it should be one click off the main page oh, sure especially since I'd like to encourage people to make it an important attraction. (by writing papers!) maybe time to have a better preprocessor than "cat" ? argh what about zope? have you looked at it at all? not really I've been at LinuxExpo singing the Free Software Song instead it can allow us to put all our data in a database (or in Zope objects, if we learn them), and dynamically generate html from the database and/or objects. It has integrated delegation of remote access to modify the site you can update using Netscape Publish (using HTTP PUT) or paste into a HTML form. (or use ftp) and will it integrate into cvs, too? with zope's ftp server you can access the object templates directly No cvs. Zope has its own Undo mechanism, which is not compatible with CVS, and much less featureful. hum it's kinda slow, too it is open source with a ZPL so we can adapt it slow? Actually, I thought it was quite fast. it's slow the first time you access an object, but then it caches it. and the first time you use zope, it takes a long time to start up the server, but then once it is running, it seems quite quick. Especially compared to MOT-2. maybe i should try the new version of mot2 how do I access a useful page on zope.tunes.org??? 10:10am I think I forget what kind of access i gave you and i dont know what will happen if you go to the manage link tell me if it works Is LambdaND available to be published on /papers yet? nope or put an external link to it I mean, it's not in its definitive form I thought it was rejected for a conference? yup, it aws I need make a few cleanups, and get an official seal of approval to publish it as a tech report from CNET and you were only not releasing it to comply with a conference requests to comply with my employer's request, too techweb.com? techweb? techweb is an online news magazine, part of a CNET news organization owned by microsoft i heard nope, cnet.fr Hey, I know JM Roy, a great guy! my, lotsa outdated stuff on whois.nic.fr! 10:20am hmm i should probably try to understand lambdaND then 10:30am grumble! ? what do you call really large search spaces? you said it ones that are NP there's a term.. i can't remember yo usay that the problem is NP-complete or such? no, you say that "the problem expands " where your branching factor has a factorial in it dunno well, anyway, that's what's happening to me when I log on to the Internet. the numbe of things to do grows that fast r :) I'd rather work on really big problems, that are just one well defined task, even if it takes years to complete. But this is like 1 small problem, that turns into 3 small problems, and so on. and i never know how long it will continue. union is force what ok.. one thing at a time.. take a deep breath ok the first thing to do is eat lunch. back in a few minutes. by uniting our efforts, we hope that we also divide the task at hand in an exponential way -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.244] has joined #tunes 10:40am K! F! I gather we are bored? >>> Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.244] requested PING 929814535 from TUNES we're waiting for tril to eat lunch uh? I didn't find anything last time, so I'll ask again: are there organisations (or whatever) that provide online college-level math courses? I have no idea I have seen lots of courses around the web, but no coherent whole Fare: I've never seen anything of the sort, at all 10:50am Tril: is there a lists.tunes.org? so that wilma be on lists.tunes.org, while cvs is on cvs.tunes.org, etc If you don't mind me asking, what's wilma? * Tril/#TUNES is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog Off] http://www.tunes.org/cgi-bin/wilma/ 11:00am Fare, how do you envision that would we go about implementing a Tunes-like system, anyway? implement an open compiler for, say, scheme, in scheme then modify it incrementally, with reflection in mind oh, and provide a coherent MOP for the compiler * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 6 min 35 secs WTF yes? 2 Q's 1) MOP = ? there is no lists.tunes.org that would make e-mail addreses longer abi tell kaufmann about mop abi mop oh, just for the web address ABI AMOP it has been said that AMOP is quite interesting. or _The Art of the Metaobject Protocol_, by Kiczales, des Rivieres, and Bobrow Fare: OK. So instead of a collaboration.html#Mail, we would have a lists.tunes.org so we have lists.tunes.org/cgi-bin/wilma I think it's overkill on the DNS, but if you think it's a good idea similarly we have cvs.tunes.org you want to http://cvs.tunes.org/ to be the collaboration.html#CVS section? that's not urgent this sounds silly to me. if you wanna rework the pages, consider enhancing the preprocessor however, cvsweb on cvs.tunes.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb is a good idea so that we may one day move cvs, lists, and web to different addresses We don't have multiple servers, why have multiple names? I think they should all just use "tunes.org" and have no pseudo-names at all. There's not even a reason why "lists", or "cvs", or "ftp" or "www" would EVER need its own machine s/addresses/machines/ maybe you're right. 11:10am we can add lists.tunes.org in DNS now, and it will be exactly the same as www.tunes.org, thanks to your ServerAlias directive. and the url you said would work i'll go add it and maybe use it later no, wait, someone already did So I gather MOP = Meta-Object Protocol? K: yup kaufmann, yes... abi abi abi hello? tril: i don't know I just did it OK now let's talk about zope So what would metaobjects be like? K: they would be like compilers, only they would provide more interface than merely executable code Fare i believe we are talking about your system they would provide explicit access to soundness, etc, as explained in my implement1 paper http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ * Fare/#Tunes just put his configuration files in cvs Fare: What do you look for in a review project solution? Tril: 1) either versioning or centralization (preferrably versioning thru cvs) Tril: hello testing 2) possibility to fully reify the database state, if it's not plain files, so that we may later move it into a tunes structure isn't (2) implied by (1), or how well does CVS handle binary file revisions? I believe CVS with option -b manages binary files correctly, but inefficiently (no diff but whole-file inclusion, or such) * Tril/#TUNES reads the cvs doc about binary files any more , (3), etc? -:- Kaufmann is now known as Kaufmann_BRB 3) it's better IMO if we program the thing in a language that is similar to what the Tunes language will be for instance, in CL, using CL-HTTP 11:20am rather than in Perl, Python, or PHP3 or maybe we should concentrate on doing something like Pliant's web server early on with a Tunes/OTOP version about binary files in cvs: use -kb, rather cvs.info has disappeared from my machine since I upgraded to potato (unstable)! :( and whether a file is binary is determined by the filename. never heard of cvs.info? uh? that's the name of the file whence C-h i g cvs fetches its information. -:- Kaufmann_BRB is now known as Kaufmann oh, some emacs extension or is that the cvs manual i just use the html one. abi, cvs? no idea, tril ABI CVS? CVS is Concurrent Version System at http://www.cyclic.com or documented at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/doc/cvs_toc.html Tril: how do you suggest I organize my ~/fare in cvs? why do you want to use CVS for ~fare/fare? because I've considered all things, and it will be god: s/god/good/ 1) It'll be easier for me to propagate files accross machines, and work from anywhere 2) it will gimme versioning, which is *very* useful when tracking changes while translating my own documents between french and english 11:30am 3) it will gimme automatic incremental backup the main reason I didn't do it earlier is that I had no access to a central machine that would be available from wherever I connect what machine is there now? bespin, or quatramaran.ens.fr (the most important problem used to be that my home machines weren't internet-connected, so cvs couldn't be used between them and the server) (it could be used between them and my laptop, but then, my laptop has no permanent internet address, so that my internet accounts couldn't easily use my laptop as server) now that I have cable, things are easier I wonder if I should use quatramaran or bespin as my personal cvs server... I trust quatramaran a bit less, but bespin is e-farther there's coda and rsync.. i don't know about the versioning, maybe you only need one version, so diff would be ok anyway.. what is the question about organizing manually diff'ing is not enough, because it also means I manually manage version numbers what's wrong with the directory structure as it is? I'm gone. bye -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein) well, I dunno if I should separate my .texes each in a directory, or all in the same and if they are in a directory each, if they should be in the root tree or not hum. I guess I can still move directories around the cvsrep in case I change my mind... problems with hierarchies eh yup! 11:40am i don't know 11:50am -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[MCDLII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi]) abi: FunOS is at http://www.sarg.ryerson.ca/funos/ -:- smkl [sami@MXX.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes Fare do you know Thomas Mahler not personally. He's involved in that bizarre philosophical computational project what's it called, already? Polycontextural logic 12:40pm -:- binEng [Anders@dialup81-2-30.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes his mail bounced (once) * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- stan_ [user4400@gonzo.yam.com.ua] has joined #Tunes 01:00pm stan: have we met before? Fare: I don't think so< but who knows :) do you know www.tunes.org? no ok, Reflective Computing system - what does it mean http://www.Tunes.org/Tunes-FAQ.html ok but, before I dig in this text, can you explain me in a few words it means that the system can somehow model its own behavior so it can coherently manage lots of things that we currently have to do manually under common operating systems something like neuron network ? not at all (at least, not artificial neuron networks as we know how to do them) ok, I'll read FAQ (although some natural neuron networks do have some reflective capabilities) in near past (1-2 years ago) I was envolved in some neural networks modelling and did you use reflective techniques? -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[dialup81-2-30.swipnet.se]) no, it was only first stages for modelling and research. sorry, for my poor English, not enough practice at all. :) where are you from? Ukraine (ex-USSR) how did you come to join #tunes? just want spent some time chatting with interesting people. :) I mean how did you come to learn about #tunes? just look for list of channels at irc.linux.com 01:10pm ok, it's 23:20 here. need to go home (wife and so on) :) bye -:- stan_ [user4400@gonzo.yam.com.ua] has left #Tunes [] 01:20pm -:- SignOff Beam: #TUNES (Leaving) * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 2 hrs 1 min 11 secs -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us820.javanet.com] has joined #tunes argh Tril: problem? 03:00pm one of my shells got frozen at a prompt for some reason had to kill it hows it coming w/ zope? no news hey is this session frozen too? hmm oh i see no actually i've been working on zelda decoding, not the review project want a login to zope.tunes.org? i suppose 03:10pm >>> Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] requested PING 929830351 144043 from #TUNES u here? me here oh, oops oops?? i didnt see ur 1st msg until then i haven't gotten a response, either are you replying to the wrong person? Tril: what happened on bespin? Tril: did you receive basile's email? suddenly, you freed 100MB that cluttered /serv funny idea to mirror slackware. Is that what filled the disk? Fare: i replied to that mail oh just a few minutes ago.. I left out the --delete in rsync again for debian oh debian has a high turnover rate for new files :) also, you may do a more selective rsync, so as not to mirror m68k, etc plus it may have been several weeks that I left it off -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes I could. But I really do have enough space for everything right now. As long as I use --delete. I can have both stable and unstable too and what about "The administrator of this server is ftpadmin@misconfigured.host. so were you ever going to help pay for this drive? hum, yeah, that's a good idea. i think you should look at e-gold, because it allows easy conversion from your currency, and you can order a check to be sent in US$ to any address, paid from your e-gold account. 03:20pm I haven't been at my bank this year, and have lots and lots of papers to fill... plus, I have an e-gold account and you can send me money <_QZ> i have 2 slot-1 celeron 300A's that are both overclockable to 463/100. i will be willing to sell them for $45 each. any takers? (u dont have to buy both why do you want to sell them? <_QZ> im buying 2 370 celerons <_QZ> lsmicro has a bunch of 300A that are overclockable to 463 and the 370 can be put in an smp'able slot-1 convertor QZ: can you tell a 300A from a 300 with /proc/cpuinfo? <_QZ> model name : Celeron (Mendocino) <_QZ> yep <_QZ> the 300 uses the deschutes <_QZ> cache size : 128 KB 03:30pm <_QZ> and these 300A's run at 463 at the default 2v. so they stay cooler than the ones that require the vcore to be increased you can't OC the 370 though right <_QZ> yes u can <_QZ> the guy at lsmicro has been running his 370 300A's at 463 for a couple days got any heat sinks to sell with them? <_QZ> well i did plan on throwing them away but i guess if u want them... :) the heat sink is the most expensive part of the 300A.. <_QZ> uhh well not officially. but compare a $57 chip and $35 fan with a $100 chip :) <_QZ> i think i only paid about $10-15 for my heatsinks then you got some really early 300a's, they must be really good <_QZ> one of my 300A's was from the first week of sales but if I buy it, i'll take a crappy heat sink for free :) <_QZ> the other 2 i got about a month later <_QZ> as long as u have it in an atx case it will run cold <_QZ> if the atx power supply blows over it what does that mean? it works with the cheap heat sink, or none at all? <_QZ> if u leave it out of a case, like i do with defiant, then u need a fan blowing over it <_QZ> no no no, u need a heatsink a heat sink, without a fan? <_QZ> but if the atx power supply blows over it then it will run cold what is run cold <_QZ> they have fans <_QZ> room temp <_QZ> the heatsink wont change temp <_QZ> which is good!! so "run cold" means it won't overheat? that's the idea.. <_QZ> running cold means its not hot <_QZ> hot is ok, but it degrades the life of the cpu i might be interested <_QZ> in 1 or both? maybe 1 or 2 :) let me ask people i know if they want 1 <_QZ> ok, i wont sell em to anyone else, yet and i need to see how much a mthrboard is that will run those are they drilled for dual? that would be very cool.. <_QZ> amptron is $90 with onboard modem/eth0/video/sound but DO NOT BUY IT <_QZ> no i never drilled them <_QZ> i never got around to finding a 0.5mm bit -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ..) 03:40pm [ctcp(TUNES)] PING -:- Current server: irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 -:- Primary server: irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 -:- Server list: -:- [unknown] -:- 0) irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 (TUNES) -:- 1) clarke.openprojects.net 6667 (was TUNES) -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server clarke.openprojects.net [refnum 1] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES -:- Your host is clarke.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT -:- clarke.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(8)] 3% -:- [global users on irc(120)] 38% -:- [invisible users on irc(198)] 62% -:- [ircops on irc(8)] 3% -:- [total users on irc(318)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(29)] (avg. 10 users per server) -:- [total channels created(98)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !clarke.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 23 (22 clients) !clarke.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#tunes:5)] [ TUNES ] [ Fare ] [ _QZ ] [@Tril ] [ abi ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.531 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES wb, TUNES! * Tril/#TUNES had to kick TUNES back onto a server <_QZ> have u guys tried mozilla m6? -:- _QZroot [root@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes yeah I have <_QZ> how functional is it? i used the windows one <_QZ> oh 04:50pm it has a lot of features, and a couple useful ones missing (i forget which, get it and try it out) <_QZroot> is the internal parts the same for windows and linux? i'm not really the one to ask <_QZroot> ok do u know what window manager has the smallest set of features and is very fast? <_QZroot> and has clean source code -:- ircleuser [newbie@p112-005.dialup.lihq.net] has joined #Tunes <_QZroot> hello newbie -:- ircleuser [newbie@p112-005.dialup.lihq.net] has left #Tunes [] i use blackbox. it's supposed to be simple and fast. I forget about the source. but they started from scratch, so probably it's good 05:00pm <_QZroot> hmm never heard of it well, i haven't used it a lot yet, but it looks nice <_QZroot> oh i dont care what it looks like <_QZroot> i want some simple/fast code to make an lcars wm :) ? <_QZroot> star trek 05:10pm <_QZroot> hahaha E just kicked the bucket so did bespin err, nwnexus there it is 05:20pm <_QZroot> know of any cheap vdeo cards that have tv-out and that let u hook the sound card to it so the sound can go thru the tv? <_QZroot> hell i dont care if it has an svga connector at all :) um 05:30pm just get some converters <_QZroot> how much? what kind of connector is the tv, coax or vhf? the best way is just run through a good stereo <_QZroot> coax get a male-male stereo cord to plug into the sound card and the line in on the stereo, then use RCA cable to the tv or wahtever or a converter instead of the stereo :) you may need 2 or 3 converters <_QZroot> oh this isnt for me <_QZroot> i need an idiot solution <_QZroot> sound/video thru coax -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us128.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hi hcf did u try yer zope account looked at the page, didnt do anything so, the account works 05:40pm * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- _QZx [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _QZroot: #TUNES (xchat exiting..) * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 41 min 6 secs <_QZx> wow, ebc is selling 8meg g200's for ?? -:- Tril has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: http://hackernews.com - DOD declares "software is crap" 06:40pm -:- Beam [nobody3@d87.nnb2.interaccess.com] has joined #tunes hello <_QZx> hello HI Corey? yep 06:50pm :) (send satin3 "client pee\n") (recv! satin3 BUF) (display BUF) oops, wrong window :) you have a good memory -:- s_r [s_rr@phila-dialup473.nni.com] has joined #tunes 07:00pm -:- PaavoRunner [cdm@63.65.4.140] has joined #Tunes -:- PaavoRunner [cdm@63.65.4.140] has left #Tunes [] whew.. I got lynx with SSL working! Tril how's work on Tunes? 07:20pm oh I'm getting close to resuming work on it.. 07:30pm -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Read error to s_r[phila-dialup473.nni.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) <_QZx> Tril: u here? ya <_QZx> u gotta try this lcars theme for E <_QZx> the only thing its missing is non-overlapping window support <_QZx> if it could do the oberon thing it would truely kick butt 08:20pm -:- Insane_Inc [Wolfe_Syst@1-139.dialup.inconnect.com] has joined #Tunes jiml? -:- Insane_Inc [Wolfe_Syst@1-139.dialup.inconnect.com] has left #Tunes [Bye] 08:40pm -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: ) Tril: what's your first name? <_QZx> david QZx: E = enlightenment? 09:00pm <_QZx> yes i'll have to take a look at it then <_QZx> goto e.themes.org and do a theme search for lcars <_QZx> it has a wicked screenshot 09:10pm -:- Post [user3442@modem077.theway.com.br] has joined #Tunes Zzzz -:- Post [user3442@modem077.theway.com.br] has left #Tunes [] hey that does look cool 09:20pm hi i'm back did you just create a theme? me? no i was just looking at one he told me about... it's modeled after the computer screens in star trek 09:30pm QZ: did you just create that theme? 09:40pm -:- ChanServ has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: www.tunes.org /kick chanserv i think i just started a paper about tunes.. 11:00pm * Tril/#TUNES is away: (bye) [BX-MsgLog Off] !! 11:20pm [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0620 IRC log ended Sun Jun 20 00:00:00 1999