IRC log started Fri Jun 25 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0625 -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- AlonzoTG [alangrimes@209-122-199-1.s255.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Ping timeout for AlonzoTG[209-122-199-1.s255.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com]) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-220-32.s286.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- binEng [Anders@dialup94-2-38.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-36.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes -:- Beam [nobody3@d95.nnb2.interaccess.com] has joined #tunes Beam ON!!! =P silly alonzo your so silly hey Alonzo * HickServ/#tunes slaps silly alonzo :))) 07:40am * AlonzoTG/#tunes smashes HickServ with an Iron Butterfly i just read through the language review. I'm considering writing a fully persistant scheme, but am first checking to make shure that one dosn't exist... you guy's haven't heard of one have you? nopers... Are you a particle accelerator? =P hehe I am thinking about calling my OS "Sphere" why Sphere? cause cube was taken? :) DOS was popular and had a very simple name Disk Operating System 07:50am The design of the OS can be modeled by a sphere So yours will be even more popular if it has a even simpler name... call it "D" =P hehe om I just need more books so I can finish my prototype and start my companie 08:00am -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup126.nni.com] has joined #tunes gakuk s_r hi s_r hi so what's your OS do that's interesting? o hola en espanol om hi s_r beam: sprechst du deutsche? =\ om? no idea s_r when people speak german it makes me mad cause i can't heh i can't speak german too well in half german and i know very little :( heh, i didn't know it was german :) * binEng/#tunes hat Deutsch in fünf Jahre gelernt HickServ i was looking at the lgos, when you were talking to water... i.e. "I should give you a whippen boy" uh yeah he was mean "your ideas are un-original" they aren't!!! he was talking about the compiler not the language and terse is a macro assembler not a real language therefor my ideas are origional -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup126.nni.com] has left #tunes [] :( =/ i don't want to have to do this project by myself what project, HS? a programming language called Lengua url? not yet k i should make one though but i need someone to give me space why don't you ask tril? yeah i should 08:10am where are the #tunes log? s/log/logs 08:20am -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #Tunes hi hi what's up, binEng * binEng/#tunes shoots abi in her foot 08:40am -:- SignOff eStormy: #TUNES (rebooting) abi: good girl :) i think someday abi will acheive intelligence 08:50am Abi: Are you intelligent? bineng: i don't know 09:00am -:- ShitServ [thrustit@209-68-229-36.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes that was rather strange heh -:- NetSplit: lackey.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [09:01am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [lackey.openprojects.net] -:- ShitServ is now known as HickServ 09:10am -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup022.nni.com] has joined #tunes hey i've almost finished this paper great i'll mail it to you in a second mail it to water too no way i only want you to see my first draft plus i don't have any high level stuff defined yet join #lengua -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #Tunes 09:20am hey stormy hewwo brb -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has left #Tunes [] -:- smkl [sami@MCXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes 09:30am -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Ping timeout for s_r[phila-dialup022.nni.com]) -:- s_r [s_r@phila-dialup108.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Beam: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (dizzee) -:- eStormy_ [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #Tunes x locked up 10:40am -:- SignOff s_r: #TUNES (Ping timeout for s_r[phila-dialup108.nni.com]) su oops wrong window :) 10:50am * smkl/#tunes 's root password is "oops wrong window" -:- SignOff eStormy_: #TUNES (moving sound card to other slot) -:- SignOff eStormy: #TUNES (BitchX-75p3 -- just do it.) -:- bm_ [bm@chk2d19.dial.uniserve.ca] has joined #tunes -:- bm_ [bm@chk2d19.dial.uniserve.ca] has left #tunes [] -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-87.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes -:- HickServ has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: got specs? || tunes project @ www.tunes.org || Bueno Labs wants you. -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup176.nni.com] has joined #tunes hick 11:30am yes? -:- Mike [user3139@gluon.Nuc.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #tunes -:- Mike [user3139@gluon.Nuc.Berkeley.EDU] has left #tunes [] 11:40am -:- binEng [Anders@dialup47-1-16.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes anyone here experienced in object c? objective C ? no but it's like smalltalk oic it combines the worst features of smalltalk and C hahaha bummeroni * HickServ/#tunes hits s_r over the head rise and shine boy 12:00pm -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-254-185.s185.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes hola alonzo -:- eStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #tunes 12:10pm -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh5-port49.snet.net] has joined #tunes y0 whats up not much coding 12:30pm im not a very experienced programmer :( hahaha... what're you trying to code? the front end to this compiler what compiler?? the Lengua compiler who wrote the compiler? i am (not did) ahhh it's vapourware -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes yes Gakuk! hello Newman! -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[dialup47-1-16.swipnet.se]) B00F!!!! ALONZOTG!!!! rumour has it alonzotg is annoying with his greetings messages or probably a bot topick? I am thinking ov kalling me OS "Sphere" =) * billyboof/#tunes has no clue what his will be called I will be called by its name Ba-yt-sneym! that's a name! Baytsneym 12:40pm uh ok damnit i keep shadowing my variable billyboof are you close to finishing the OS? YES! it compiled im not useless after all s_r: no, not even close what are you working on right now? right now i'm just hanging out, i just got home from work =\ zdnet is nonresponsive. =( zdnet is comatose billyboof: will you release the src sometime soon s_r: i dunno... depends on what the other people i'm working with want to do... it isn't just me anymore mean u have a project? How many d00dz? Do you have a full spec now? 2, and no i would guess not... cool. i'm waiting for email back from someone else in the project about the os_spec.htm I have some people on a list that I mail stuff to periodically but they rarely respond. i'd join an OS project but i want to do something "revolutionary" or really different he said he is going through line by line ad putting comments in red i don't want to make YAOS yeah... that's why i didn't join a project... just kinda started one... the only OS project i've considered joining was TUNES, Why isn't my projeckt neu enuff? but there isn't enough of a focus on code in TUNES BuenOS suckahs!!! Join my project! =) Its great! i didn't consider BuenOS just because of the name well nobody even knows anything about BuenOS =\ 12:50pm i haven't really worked out much yet change the name or somethign im busy with Lengua Booo! B00F!!! BuenOS hickOS Hickies heh what are you predjuduced against mexicans? :) Why is your OS, in theory, better than mine? alonzo i don't know anything about your OS alonzo write up some specs I am prejudiced against mexicans who come north. =\ I DID!!! * HickServ/#tunes hits Alonzo with a burrito atc.peon.net/~cyborg/OS/docs/specs.txt hickserv: call the OS TacOS hahah BurritOS i was considering GatOS btw gato is cat in spanish I want to start a softwarez company to develop and cell my OS. =) eheh Alonzo Enterprize Nanosoft: software that thinks. sounds like microsoft Go to atc.peon.net/~cyborg/ www.nanosoft.com? i've been to your site many times alonzo Yes, We are 1000 times smaller, and 1000 times more monopolistice heh good one http://atc.peon.net/~cyborg/ yes, sr, That is my page http://www.nanosoft.com/~cyborg Sorry, hic the URL was for SR who appearently didn't know of it. dammit nanosoft.com is down again must be those microsoft-hired hackers again Nanosoft doesn't exist. duh! =\ that was a dumb joke * s_r/#tunes hits AlonzoTG with a dumbing stick no s0up f0r you! alonzo your site is down (at.peon.net) atc np al HickServ: does the code work? 01:00pm looks like haf the inet is down today =( >>> s_r [sr@phila-dialup176.nni.com] requested PING 930351871 from #tunes uh the scanner works now sorry im running between computers can i see the code? not yet :) have you included support for low level words? back to codx0ring i will i've only done the file io for scanner() back to work * Fare/#Tunes visited people from project SOR today www-sor.inria.fr too bad Ian Piumarta was only passing by :( :( there are so many great hackers in INRIA. Why can't I convince them to work on TUNES? * eStormy/#tunes goes back to dreaming up a low-level language, close to assembly language is possible without been hardware dependent. -:- suchness [f00f@alpha.tu.ac.th] has joined #Tunes dream on dude I mean using voice recognition software; please excuse Miss recognized words -:- suchness [f00f@alpha.tu.ac.th] has left #Tunes [] 01:10pm I feel stupid wearing two sets of headphones at the same time ... dictating speech, and listening to mp3s y0 Fare talk to me brodah :( i must go my mom needs to use the internet -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (:\) 01:20pm I think one of the routers blew a gasket... I can't get to half the net... =( y2k hooray is a cool song bad singers, poorly recorded, but fun (c: http://www.mp3.com/artists/11/jims_big_ego.html: 01:30pm Stormy, why were you named "Stormy"? -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup176.nni.com] has left #tunes [] B00F!!! man I wish the routers could get me to my site. =( 01:40pm -:- ruiner [blah@ppp137.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes * AlonzoTG/#tunes smashes ruiner with an Iron Butterfly uhhuh 02:00pm grrrrr! My ISP again let me down -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ruiner[ppp137.wi.centuryinter.net]) half the internet is hosed today. 02:10pm -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-87.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hi 02:50pm =\ fiks the internet i see topick (hehe) ? 03:00pm -:- Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System hi fare -:- NetSplit: king.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:08pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [king.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: king.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- smkl [sami@MCXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes 03:10pm -:- binEng [Anders@dialup45-2-45.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes hi hi -:- tcn [tcn@cci-209150250117.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hey y'all tcn :) !!! hi tcn wow it's so easy to entice girls in parachat if they are girls 03:20pm they are probabbly middle aged men heh, yes that's the catch tcn: did you read what s_r sent you on Lengua? -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-146.m2-3.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes hi beholder hey hick hs: yeah well his ideas are different from mine just letting you know :) btw ok i need help on my compiler * AlonzoTG/#tunes is writing a paper can i ask a question of you? hey, share the language first! -:- ebresie [ebresie@150.114.141.84] has joined #Tunes * AlonzoTG/#tunes has 2 books on compliers. * AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations ebresie!" :-) well i don't know how to implement procedure, loop, and jmp entry labels Hello hey, ebresie how does the compiler know what to address of it is? Hey...I was reading about the mindcraft test and was wondering what is being done to fix the IP implementation? alonzo? tom? tom is doing fine in assembly with retro om =) what do you think? oh say upi say you're starting a loop.. -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[MCXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi]) -:- ebresie [ebresie@150.114.141.84] has left #Tunes [] 03:30pm say it just goes likes this: "begin ...various stuff... loop back to beginning" when the compiler sees the beginning of the loop, it has to "remember" that address (probably by pushing it on a stack). When the loop ends, the compiler pops off that address and assembles a JMP

that's easy for a backward loop but how about jumping forward IF? huh? if-then-else? no like jmp begin: loops only jump backwards jmp's if-then-else's jump forward well it's a conditional jump bu tit doesn't matter ok how would that be done whatever your language does, I don't think it'll be any different in this respect how does the compiler "remember" a label it hasn't seen? -:- _QZ [brand@207.173.21.170] has joined #tunes hey QZ, how's the new job? -:- smkl [sami@MCXII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes 03:40pm tcn: how? oh assemble a JMP xxxx, remember what address it's at, and fill in the xxxx when you find out what it is :) hahah dumb! make sure you read the nasm manual im not doing it in asm anymore i settled on c it has some relevant examples like macros for if-then-else hmmm you might as well get good at assembler, if you're gonna write a compiler but filling in that blanks ain't easy sure it is say you're doing a plain old "if x=0 then " statement well what do you leave a blank in the back end till you've come up with the label address? it assembles as "cmp ax,0 ; jnz xxxx ; ..... ; end: ..." I mean, "cmp ax,0 ; jnz xxxx ; ..... ; xxxx: ..." when you're compiling that, you just go "ok, current address is xxxx.. pop the ORIGIN address, and place (current address - ORIGIN) there" that's what you do at the end, I mean but that means unless i have a big buffer at the back end of the compiler i have to go back to a place on the disk and insert the jump adress only if you have like 16k of RAM no, 4k so should i make a buffer big enough to carry all the machine code? hahah oh, yeah uh I just allocate it as I go along 03:50pm anyway, I gotta go to my sister's graduation hrm she went to mine :) ok i'll just work this out tcn: Congratulation for your sister :) thanks beh ditto allright, see ya -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (..) bye tcn later tom grrr he's to quick blarrg i must code more of dis compiler bbl -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-146.m2-3.sub.ican.net] has left #tunes [] 04:00pm -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-140.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hi all hoy water what's going on? that game again cool 04:10pm should the preprocessor be seperate from the parser? for a compiler, sure k well n/m should the preprocessor go through the entire source first and then let the parser have a shot at it? that's actually the definition of preprocessor otherwise you'd be changing the language and syntax ok it might take a while for the compiler to check all headers and the source though <_QZ> heh well actually not really computers are fast these days :) i'm not a big fan of pre-processing <_QZ> neither am i <_QZ> cept in current languages cuz they suck tell me what's wrong with it and i might not implement it well, it makes c-like languages better <_QZ> HickServ: if yer language sucks then u will need ti <_QZ> it but c sucks tell me what's wrong with it what's wrong with c? hahaha no <_QZ> heh preprocessors oh ok <_QZ> HickServ: but u will need one if yer language sucks silly billy qz: i hear ya you shouldn't need one if you make a capable language <_QZ> HickServ: does yer language suck? no hehe ok well i'll take a not of that yet you want a preprocessor? what would it be used for? oh for setting flags ahh like in linux source like in c? hehe yes why not add keywords to the language? 04:20pm <_QZ> flags? so u can externally modify how the source is compiled? er yeah well, that means the language needs more control <_QZ> if the language is extended beyond a simple compiler into an environment then u dont need that exactly how could you doit otherwise either keywords or a language environment you obviously have to add something * HickServ/#tunes is vexed hs: describe the language it's like a combo of asm and forth with more stuff :) hmm make forth primitives <_QZ> water?: what he means to say is that he has no idea :) * HickServ/#tunes hits qz over the noggin qz: hehe. yes, it seems so. <_QZ> hehe BAH! describe these "primatives" <_QZ> HickServ: being that u are developing the compiler shouldnt YOU be the one to define them?