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[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0722
<ruiner> night all
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<core> people hi
<hcf> hoy core
<core> hi there hcf :)
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<smoke> hi
<abi> hola, smoke
<smoke> core: great thing you linked ggi-project here ! :)
<smoke> core: do you still need a channel owner (to be responsible for kickban wars?) :)
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<core> smoke: sorry, i was away
<core> smoke: yes, i still do :)
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<core> smoke: sorry, i was away :)
<smoke> core: np, i was too :)
07:20am
<s_r> hey
<s_r> anyone awake here?
<smoke> i am, but i only listen.. :)
08:10am
<s_r> what's "dynamic translation"?
<s_r> something Bochs features
<core> s_r: dynamically compiling to native x86 code, on the fly
<core> s_r: it doesn't work well yet, and works on a small set of instructions, don't use it, or most things will crash badly.
<s_r> *nod*
08:20am
<s_r> i'm not familiar with GGI
<s_r> is it like svgalib?
<core> what does it have to do with bochs? :)
<core> in a way yes
* s_r/#tunes is thinking about Clementine
<core> svgalib is an usermode program that needs setuid though
<core> ggi is a set of drivers for the kernel, and an userspace graphic library
<core> (kgi and libggi resp.)
<core> oh, yeah, clementine uses ggi
<s_r> so you can change modes in console
<s_r> ?
<s_r> with ggi
<core> i'm playing with ggi's nvidia driver under clementine right now actually :)
<core> yeah, you can switch to a 800x600 game without starting X.
<s_r> hmm
<s_r> does GGI support BSD?
<s_r> or is this Linux-only
<core> no, but wouter was working on it at some point
<core> you can run libggi on bsd, but KGI would need a glue for the bsd kernels
<core> like andy wrote one for clementine.
<core> it took him 2 days tho.
<core> so KGI is quite portable.
<s_r> core: what kind of GUI will clementine feature? :)
<core> anything people will want to write in components.
<core> we're working on a default one that looks quite new but i can't say right now :)
<s_r> probably a rip-off of Windows 95 :)
<core> uhh, no.
<s_r> heh i was joking
<core> i'd hope so :)
<s_r> so are you still using the NoKernel concept in clementine? (trusted compiler, etc)
<s_r> i talked with QZ about this earlier
<s_r> he seems strongly opposed to the idea
<core> there are many folds in the nokernel concept. i'm not using the trusted compiler, but i'm using migratable, seperate components.
<core> trusted code can gradually be introduced thanks to xcom.
<core> well, i'd be surprised if QZ agreed with anything.
<s_r> X could use GGI
08:30am
<core> tell that to dirk hondel
<core> we have a working X server for GGI/KGI tho.
<core> it has no drivers, and needs not be setuid
<core> it just opens libggi and uses the running KGI driver.
<core> no screen glitches, no user code banging hardware.
<Tril> the new X is supposed to be modular, maybe it could be better ported to XCOM?
<core> tril: that'd be nice.
<s_r> core: is there a working hardware acceleration driver for GGI that uses the NVIDIA TNT2?
<core> s_r: yes
<s_r> core: does it fully use the hardware though, unlike the preliminary xfree86 tnt2 driver? (use it as Direct3d does)
<Tril> prelim? I thought it worked fine
<Tril> err, my friend is using it, and i need to install it on my other friend's system one day..
<core> s_r: it's a 2D driver
<s_r> core: xfree86 4.0 will include 3d drivers, i think
<core> tril: i bought myself a TNT2 at home, and i use it, it works very well
<core> s_r: yes, i was answering your KGI question
<core> s_r: there is 3D acceleration in the OpenGL libs nvidia provide for linux, yes. accelerates xscreensaver-gl :o)
<core> tril: i must say at 1600x1200 is nice now that i have a board that makes it FAST :)
<s_r> hmmm should i buy an alpha, an SGI, or a Sun?
<core> s_r: definitely not an alpha.
<s_r> core: why not?
<core> s_r: because it sucks.
08:40am
<core> s_r: trust me, i have one.
<s_r> heh
<core> 21064A, 275 mhz
<core> probably the new ones are much better, but linux is dog slow on it, and it does all it can to make your life complicated
<core> sgi's are neat hardware, irix is a good unix, although bad on a few points (NFS notably). sun's are sucky hardware but solaris is quite nice.
<s_r> hmm what does it do to make things complicated?
<core> well, mine has an NT firmware
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<core> just booting linux is: firmware -> fat partition -> milo.exe -> milo console -> autoboot -> linux kernel -> ext2 partition -> init.
<s_r> i don't like the fact that it is really hard to buy individual alpha CPUs (but it is easy to get intel cpus that way)
<core> s_r: well, you have three bazillion x86 systems vendors.
<core> s_r: and everything is available for x86 first, like months ahead.
<s_r> i'm considering doing my OS dev on a processor other than intel
<core> s_r: also the alpha runs an x86 emulator so it can boot the BIOS of the video cards.
<core> s_r: why, besides feeling "cool" and "different" ?
<core> s_r: if you mean writing an OS specifically for alpha, you'll have 3 1/2 people using it, and about half of them contributing to it.
<core> s_r: the point of x86 isn't that it's good, but that it's cheap and many people have it.
<s_r> i don't care about other people using my OS :)
<core> s_r: then don't release it either :P
<ElGato> heh
<ElGato> do it on x86 then port it
<s_r> hmmm i'll tell you what's dog slow
<s_r> an S3 VirGE/VX card
* ElGato/#tunes couldn't give a damn about his graphics
<ElGato> s_r last night before i went to bed i wrote most of  the lexical anylizer
<s_r> ElGato: cool
<s_r> ElGato: what about the tokenizer?
<ElGato> now im having a LITTLE touble
08:50am
<s_r> how so?
<s_r> hmm i think i'll make an OS for the VAX
<s_r> mmm VAX
<ElGato> you see there is nothing that distiguishes objects and variables from numbers
<ElGato> how will  obtain a token from them
<s_r> a preceding special token
<ElGato> nah
<ElGato> that complicates things for the programmer
<s_r> *sigh*
* s_r/#tunes shakes head
<s_r> am i going to have to write this for you? :P
* ElGato/#tunes kicks s_r's ass
<ElGato> do tell s_r
<s_r> hmmm maybe i should
<ElGato> indeed
* ElGato/#tunes is waiting
09:00am
<s_r> for what?
<ElGato> your special token
<s_r> it's just an idea
<ElGato> well tell me anyway
<s_r> well the scanner finds a word that is an object
<s_r> and say, gives it the ID #1
<s_r> and whatever comes after that
<s_r> tokenizer or what have you
<s_r> gives it 0001
<s_r> which is ID #1
<s_r> but precedes it with the "type" ID
<s_r> and type "object" would be 0001 perhaps
<s_r> so you'd have two numbers
<s_r> one for type and one for ID
<ElGato> well that doesn't really solve my problem
<ElGato> you see im saying the only way to distinguish between a number and an object is to not allow numbers in object names
<s_r> o so you're having trouble parsing it?
<ElGato> no
<ElGato> just tokenizing
<ElGato> i haven't gotten to parsing yet
09:10am
<ElGato> hmmm
<ElGato> i beginning to think more about lengua
<ElGato> and i think  it's better that functions aren't objects but do have the same scoping rules apply
<s_r> your ideas are more and more becoming a crazy man's talk
<s_r> heh
<ElGato> :(
<s_r> i'm glad i'm not working on this with you
<s_r> we'd have too many clashes
* ElGato/#tunes must not stoop thinking
* ElGato/#tunes thinks s_r is a mislead little boy
<s_r> hah you're one to call others "boy!"
<ElGato> you're the third closest!
<ElGato> :D
<AlonzoTG> om
<ElGato> hi al
<s_r> om
<ElGato> mooo
09:20am
<s_r> Alonzo: how's LiNuKs programming?
<AlonzoTG> suckey
<AlonzoTG> maximum suckey
* ElGato/#tunes 's ideas are running wild in his head
<ElGato> i need to relax for a little bit
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<core> re
<ruiner> boot?
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<core> is anyone alive?
* core/#tunes returns
<eihrul> sort of
<core> undead? :)
<eihrul> well, i've been drooling and stumbling about as if a zombie
<eihrul> but that could just be a lack of sleep
<core> eihrul: lack of sleep does strange things
<core> eihrul: are you in holidays, or something ?
<eihrul> well, the 3 month holiday more commonly known as summer break :)
<core> eihrul: ohh.. well, i'm not in school anymore, i wouldn't know :)
<core> eihrul: how old are you ?
<eihrul> 17
<core> oh ok
<core> just wondering.
12:00pm
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<ElGato> could it be?
<ElGato> fare back!?
<eihrul> it's not, it's an impostor
<ElGato> !!!
<core> he dropped in, but i missed him
<core> fare is always logged in Screen from the enst anyway
<core> s/enst/ens/
<ElGato> hi core
<ElGato> i was going to ask you something
<ElGato> but i forgot :)
<core> elgato: hehe, you should have noted it down
<core> elgato: i have a RDBMS on one of my boxes where i input everything i want to do :) (although i have good memory)
12:10pm
<eihrul> core: that's too convenient though... think of it like gambling with your thoughts, the chance that you might forget them makes it all the more fun.
<core> eihrul: the fact you actually forget stuff is good IMHO, the bad ideas are thrashed this way
<core> eihrul: but i have good memory and i never forget much, so i figured i could as well use a database :)
<ElGato> core: i only remember things when people don't want me to remember them
<eihrul> core: question... would be better to A) map the kernel address space into a processes virtual address space or B) reload the page directory base register on an interrupt?
<core> elgato: hehe
<core> eihrul: reloading the page directory is very expensive
<core> eihrul: you should map the kernel in every process' address space, and not have a page directory for the kernel
<eihrul> ah... ok, is simple enough
<core> yeah
<eihrul> since you only need to keep one page table for kernel address space
<core> well if you only use one page, yeah
<ElGato> heh
<ElGato> 4k of ram
<core> supervisor space in clementine can grow up to a given limit (set to 2 GB right now, but it can be changed), so it's more than one :)
<core> elgato: no, 4 M. one page *table*.
<ElGato> ohhh
<ElGato> you should be more specifc about things that you say ;)
<core> elgato: if you never intend to use more than 4M for your kernel space (in a uK, it makes sort of sense), then you can just map that page in your process pgd when you create it, and leave it there for good.
<core> elgato: sorry
<ElGato> core: np
<eihrul> core: actually, wait... could be a problem since my page allocator stores free page information on the free pages themselves...
<core> elgato: i meant page table, but i'm typing a document at the same time so i got mixed up :P
<core> eihrul: that's bad.
<core> eihrul: you mean you roam the entire memory for free page pointers?
<core> eihrul: and that you have to map physical pages before you use them, so you can access them to store the info?
<eihrul> no... on the front of each page i store a structure with A) a pointer to the next free run of pages, B) the number of pages in the run
<eihrul> it doesn't search any non-free pages
<core> eihrul: but you still roam for pages
<core> eihrul: every time you touch one page, it destroys one entry of the TLB, then.
<core> eihrul: roam 32 pages and it will have the same effect as reloading the page directory.
<eihrul> ack... so should i use a bitmap allocation scheme then?
<core> eihrul: plus you still have to map them in
<core> eihrul: since it's like 20 times as fast, i suppose.
<eihrul> how is it 20 times as fast?
<core> eihrul: you loose 1 byte for every 32K of memory, but i think it's a decent tradeoff
<core> eihrul: i use a buddy allocator for pages, it does at most 32 operations.
<eihrul> not sure anymore how those work
<eihrul> i barely remember reading about those in tanenbaum :)
<core> eihrul: downside is that you can only allocate 2^n physical memory, but good side is that it automatically solves the alignment problem the stupid PC DMA has.
<core> eihrul: look at the linux mm page for a very bare explanation, else /usr/src/linux/mm/page.c or somesuch :)
<eihrul> er wait...
<eihrul> the 2^n jogged my memory
<core> it's a very simple technique
<eihrul> was that where you keep splitting the memory in 2, until you find closest fit?
12:20pm
<core> eihrul: right.
<core> eihrul: for physical pages, it does the job
<core> eihrul: most of the time you'll want 4K pages so you'll have an exact fit
<core> eihrul: the only other time you'll want more than 4K of contiguous memory is for dma buffers
<core> eihrul: and those allocate in 8K, 16K, 32K, 64K, or 128K, just fine.
<eihrul> but you can only have 2^20 pages, so shouldn't it only take 20 ops at most?
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<tcn> anyway it forces me to read a book or something
<liar> or u can find a girl there and take her home and then she can take yer laundry down the next time :)
<ElGato> tcn: i can't seem to figure out what retro does after init.inc
<tcn> hehe
<tcn> I haven't seen any fine young ladies there yet, but I only been there once
<tcn> ElGato: after it switches to pmode, it goes to pmode.inc
<ElGato> ohhh
<tcn> look for a far jmp
<ElGato> must have missed it
<tcn> like JMP 0x08:pmode
<ElGato> oh yes i remmeber
<ElGato> but i ain't all that good with nasm syntax
<tcn> from there it's pretty straightforward, like a C program
<tcn> liar: what server was #asm on? I wanna stop by there
<smkl> tcn: try irc.concentric.net
* AlonzoTG/#tunes just won Draw Three vegas Solitare. =P
<liar> tcn: get some butt ugly chick :)
<ElGato> that seems to be your advidce to everyone
<liar> tcn: u will get laid and u wont have to do yer laundry anymore 
03:30pm
<liar> ElGato: did u find one yet?
<tcn> #rodentsex?
<liar> haha
<tcn> I made the mistake of /list -yes
<ElGato> liar: i only had one chick and she was a slut
<tcn> #GayBitches
<tcn> haha
<ElGato> im not proud of myself
<tcn> well at least you're man enough to admit it
<ElGato> what do you expect at my age
<ElGato> heh
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<liar> abi never dies at my requres
<AlonzoTG> om
<tcn> most 16 year olds say they've banged 5 or 10 chicks already
<liar> s/requres/request/
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<ElGato> and what do most 14 year olds say ;)
<tcn> they should say s/chicks/fingers/
<liar> ElGato: 4-9
<ElGato> heh
<ElGato> figures
<tcn> hmm.. no #asm on concentric.net
* ElGato/#tunes is thumbing through his fpu manual trying to figure out how the hell he's gonna write this emulator
<tcn> on that irc net I think /list #*gay* would be almost as long as /list -yes
<tcn> write code for the real FPU first
<tcn> you have one right?
<ElGato> that's easy you just set a few flags\
<ElGato> three flags
<ElGato> but uh
<ElGato> first im gonna hafta make a n exception handler
<ElGato> what kinda procs does retro have for making entrys in the idt
<ElGato> ?
<tcn> umm
<tcn> patch_int in pmode.inc
<liar> retro has forth
<liar> other than that it has no real os features
<tcn> it had multitasking
<liar> had??
<ElGato> damnit i wish i were more experienced in assembler
<tcn> well I took it out temporarily.. it's not like it's useful yet
<liar> now brix on the other hand has a very nice os api
03:40pm
<tcn> I need to work out a virtual console/window system, and it takes time to do a good one. And I need to play w/ graphics first, which I just started..
<liar> i have a good vc in brix
<ElGato> i need help on somethign very trivial
* ElGato/#tunes is ashamed to ask
<hcf> ElGato: thats nothing new
<liar> and my window system, not written, is wel designed
<tcn> ElGato: you should just screw around w/ asm before you jump right into "working for other people"
<liar> ElGato: masturbation?
<ElGato> heh
<tcn> hehe
<ElGato> well i gotta set some flags in the CR0
<tcn> he wants a reacharound
<ElGato> and i don't know how im gonna mask the bits
<ElGato> :(
<liar> ElGato: dont ask alonzo for help he will just tell u to find a cat or dog
<tcn> mov eax,cr0 ; and eax,~0000100b ; mov cr0,eax
<liar> what flags do u wanna set?
<ElGato> EM
<tcn> that's to turn off the bits set to 1
<ElGato> and some others i can't remmeber their names
<tcn> or eax,0000100b to turn it on
<tcn> ~ is NOT
<ElGato> ok
<ElGato> :(
<tcn> abi, ~?
<abi> ~ is probably NOT
<ElGato> thanks
<tcn> ehh
<liar> oh and if the bit u wanna turn on/off is 0-7 then use al instead of eax
<ElGato> yeah
<ElGato> it's faster
<liar> but never use ax
<ElGato> smaller opcode
<liar> sure ax is a byte smaller than eax, but it takes an additional clock cycle
<AlonzoTG> yay! 
<AlonzoTG> we are discussing actual real code!
<AlonzoTG> =))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0
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* AlonzoTG/#tunes ignites a flamethrower and eyes ruiner
* AlonzoTG/#tunes greets "Salutations ruiner!" :-)
<ruiner> yo
<AlonzoTG> I hate publishers.
<liar> WOMEN'S T-SHIRT SAYINGS
<liar> I used to be schizophrenic, but we're OK now.
<AlonzoTG> hehe
<ElGato> tcn: i don't think it's really necessary for me to push and pop registers in init.inc do you?
<AlonzoTG> no, that's a symptom of quadrophenia.
<liar> hey i found one for all the girls that elgato knows
<liar> I'm busy. You're ugly. Have a nice day.
<tcn> hehe
<tcn> see ya
<ElGato> later
<ElGato> qz: huh?
<liar> Remember my name ... you'll be screaming it later.
<tcn> ElGato: probably not
<liar> i wish u bitchx users would PLEASE turn off the bold colon on yer nick completion
<tcn> it just turns it back on
<tcn> I just try not to use nick completion
03:50pm
<AlonzoTG> om
<liar> tcn: are u using a script?
<tcn> just a few lines in .ircrc
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<liar> .does bitchx use .ircrc?
<liar> it has its own .bitchxrc
<tcn> ircrc works
<tcn> I used to have ircii
<liar> Objects Under This Shirt Are Larger Than They Appear.
<tcn> might get it again too
<tcn> haha
<liar> thats a good present to get for all those flat chested girls u know :)
<tcn> heh
<tcn> Objects in pants are smaller than they appear
<tcn> (written on back)
<tcn> no
<tcn> DO NOT ENTER
<liar> hah
<ElGato> oh geez
<ElGato> kids these days
<tcn> dammit
<liar> tcn: i think u hurt his feelings :)
<tcn> now that I like this song my CD player won't play it
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<tcn> ElGato: or if you prefer, ENTER HERE
<liar> ElGato: which one do u prefer? :)
<ElGato> uh is it on a girl?
<liar> no, on u
<tcn> if you prefer the latter you could look in #GayBitches
<ElGato> fuck no, it isn't on me
<tcn> you could meet your future 'wife' there
<liar> tcn: HAHAHAHA
04:00pm
<liar> ElGato: do u want 'ENTER HERE' or 'DO NOT ENTER' printed on the back of yer shirt?
<tcn> there's a TV reporter here who oughtta have "GERBILS ENTER HERE"
<ruiner> put exit only on the back of the shirt
<ElGato> i think the word "enter" shoul not be used at all
<liar> ruiner: :)
<ElGato> more like:
<ElGato> sit here
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<tcn> everyone knows a nurse or doctor who was working that night
<tcn> er, one of those nights
* liar/#tunes thinks that elgato is in denial :)
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<ElGato> in denial of what?
<AlonzoTG> blug
<tcn> hehe
<ruiner> know what the #1 pick up line in gay bars is?
<liar> ElGato: in denial of what alonzo openlu admits
<ruiner> according to qz I mean....
<liar> s/openlu/openly/
<tcn> I wonder if anyone's put up a web site with images of the X-ray "Special Files"
<ruiner> I wouldn't know personally....anyhow...anybody know?
<tcn> that would be some funny shit
<ElGato> shutupu gay basher
<ElGato> im no homo
<ruiner> "can I push in your stool?"
<tcn> that one's lame
<ElGato> go join the KKK or soemthing
* AlonzoTG/#tunes barfs
<ruiner> only if you join nambla elgato
<liar> ruiner: have u picked anyone up with that line? :)
<ElGato> nambla?
<ruiner> yeah, the ladies love it
<ruiner> national something man boy love association
<ElGato> uhhh
<ElGato> jesus christ
<tcn> how the fuck did you know that?
<ElGato> masking bits has turned into this
<liar> tcn: ruiner is a member :)
<ruiner> it was in some revenge stuff I found on the net...avenger files or something
<ElGato> hahah
<AlonzoTG> =\
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<ElGato> he's a recruiter
<fed> yer under arrest, you sick bastard!!
<ruiner> told you to join up your target and put the bumper stickers on his car when he wasn't paying attention, etc etc
<AlonzoTG> CAN ALL THE FUCKING FAGS IN THIS CHAN JUST /PART AND LEAVE IT TO THE PROGRAMMERS????
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<ruiner> yah bite me, I'm no anal agitator
<ElGato> um
<ElGato> that was dumb alonzo
<AlonzoTG> No Shit
<AlonzoTG> None at all
<tcn> heh, what's the best word for 'homosexual' ?
<ruiner> that rupaul chick is hot....
<ElGato> pellow biter
<ruiner> I'd do her
<ElGato> hahaha
<ruiner> you mean pillow?
<ElGato> yeah well i can't spell
<tcn> brown hatter.. I read that in a gay article in an english course
<ruiner> lol
<ruiner> thats pretty gross
<tcn> bone smuggler?
04:10pm
<ruiner> I like to call them fancy lads...
<ElGato> i'd rather not picl at any minority
<ElGato> s/picl/pick
* AlonzoTG/#tunes smashes ElGato with an Iron Butterfly
* AlonzoTG/#tunes smashes ruiner with an Iron Butterfly
<liar> u guys are sick and why u know these names is even sicker
<ruiner> iron butterfly...cool
* ruiner/#tunes thinks qz is offended...or maybe just his boyfriend
<liar> ruiner: its alonzo's gay weapon of choice
<tcn> innagaddadavida?
<ruiner> yeah tcn
<liar> tcn: u choking?
<ruiner> that song is like half an hour long with the drum solo
<AlonzoTG> =)
<tcn> hey anyone listen to Judas Priest?
<AlonzoTG> Almost long enuff =P
<ruiner> no
<tcn> half hour? that must fill up a whole side of an LP
<tcn> at least
<ElGato> if an FPU is detected should i execute a FINIT instruction?
<liar> enigma only puts one ~45 song on their cds
<tcn> i got my metallica collection out
<ElGato> tcn: wadduh you got?
<ruiner> metallica sucks now
<ruiner> I like their old stuff though
<ruiner> ride the lightning is my fave
<tcn> I got to like their new sound too.. they didn't really sell out, they got bored :)
<ElGato> yeah i got ride the lightning on cassete
<tcn> now that I got a turntable I'd like to get some of their EP's
<tcn> garage days, etc.
<ElGato> tcn: if im going to correctly init the FPU im gonna need some more accurate processor detection
<tcn> ElGato: I haven't fucked w/ it yet
<tcn> heh.. what albums are you most ashamed of having??
<ruiner> micheal jackson
04:20pm
<tcn> oh oh .. this 80's deep purple album is pretty scary
<ElGato> well mabye not
<ElGato> i think i can get by without it
<liar> hahaha, ruiner has music made by a child molester
<ruiner> yeah well....I got it back when he was going to the grammys with madonna
<ruiner> so byte me
<liar> ElGato: when u figure out howto save/restore the fpu state then tell me
<tcn> savatage, they mostly suck.. Countdown to Extinction is pretty bad.. dream theater..
<tcn> also an old Corrosion of Conformity, it's nothing like their 90's albums
* AlonzoTG/#tunes kat is sleapin on MY bed. =\
<tcn> kill it!
<AlonzoTG> hehe
<tcn> man am I glad I don't have them anymore.. my house isn't all furry
<ElGato> liar: what are you talking about?
<tcn> I like howard stern's michael jackson imitation
<tcn> heheh
<liar> ElGato: when u figure out the fpu then give me the code to save/restore the fpu stack and state
<ruiner> dream theater is horrible
<ElGato> oh
<tcn> some guy walked up to me today and goes "have you heard about jesus christ??"
<ElGato> oh yeah your code doesn't do it
<ruiner> "isn't he the guy that sang 'you ain't nothing but a hound dog'?"
<liar> brix knows if it has an fpu and it will save/restore the state/stack for any threads that want to use the fpu. but i dont currently have any code in the scheduler to do it
<AlonzoTG> Why Are all mexicans named "Ramirez"?
<AlonzoTG> =\
<ElGato> um
<tcn> it means Smith
<ElGato> that was dumb too al
<tcn> lambe me culo, alonzo
<AlonzoTG> There is barely a page and a half of smiths in the average telefone book...
<liar> AlonzoTG: there is a telefone book dedicated to smiths here
<liar> u got yer normal telefone book and yer smith's telefone book
<tcn> atg: chinges tu mano
<liar> tcn: haha
<ElGato> tu madre lambò me culo y es bueno
<ElGato> ooops
<ElGato> wrong accent 
<ElGato> other way
<AlonzoTG> yes, phat people have more chins than a chineese telephone book. =P
<ruiner> english motherfucker...do you speak it?
<tcn> si, ella come' la maize en me mierda
<ruiner> pulp fiction ref
<ElGato> si
<ElGato> hablo ingles malo :(
<tcn> chinga los cochinos!
04:30pm
<ruiner> why are programmers so much smarter than the average person in all aspects of life?
<ElGato> uh in retro should fpu error exceptions be handled internally?
<ruiner> Gato...who's writing this? you or us?
<ruiner> just curious...
<ElGato> uh
<ElGato> what the hell are you talkiing abou8t?
<liar> ElGato: they should be thrown to the client
<liar> ElGato: unless the client doesnt want to catch them
<tcn> ElGato: I don't know yet
<ElGato> so should i set the NE bit to 0 or 1?
<liar> ElGato: or u can just kill the client for fucking up
<tcn> haha
<tcn> we should do that at work
<ElGato> ok i just won't set it for now
<ElGato> um
<ElGato> if i mask the CR) the way you guys said won't it mask out a bunch of bits i don't want changed?
<ElGato> CR0
<tcn> umm.. what bit is NE?
<ruiner> dang...he's on to us
<liar> ElGato: u really should learn asm first
<ElGato> tcn: 5
<ElGato> hey i know asm
<tcn> starting from 0?
<ElGato> i  just don't know masking
<ElGato> tcn: yes
<tcn> I didn't learn the masking technique right away either
<tcn> and I didn't learn about ~ in NASM until a couple months ago.. saves a lot of time :)
<liar> and ax,~10000b ; CLEAR THE FRIGGIN BIT
<liar> or ax,10000b ; SET THE FRIGGIN BIT
<liar> neither touchs any other bits 
<tcn> hehe.. that new Megadeth song sucks
<ElGato> but won't i all those zeros fuck up the other bits
<ElGato> fine
<tcn> ElGato: he's not lying
<liar> ElGato: NEITHER OF THOSE WILL FRIGGIN CHANGE ANY OTHER BITS
<ruiner> I'm gonna write a dev enviornment for nasm...
<tcn> I gotta write an assembler
<ruiner> pisses me off...I need one
04:40pm
<liar> ruiner: why dont u port nasm to brix for me
<liar> ruiner: i know u want to
<ruiner> ooh...let me know when you start...I offer my help
<ruiner> hmmmm....
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<ruiner> pay for my new computer and you have a deal
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<liar> me?
<abi> me is too lazy to die =P
<tcn> you don't need a new computer to do ASM
<ruiner> wb
<ruiner> you're the one who wants nasm ported to brix
<tcn> eeech this sounds like Winger
<ruiner> I won't do it for the heck of it
<liar> prick
<tcn> PRiX?
<tcn> that's what u should call yer os, ruiner
<ruiner> lol
<ruiner> nah...I know what I'm calling mine already
<ruiner> my friend dave was joking around...he's gonna work on one called WeeniOS
<ruiner> pronounced weenie-o's
<liar> oh ya that will get somewhere :)
<tcn> haha
<ruiner> it might...
<ruiner> if he weren't such a lazy pud
<tcn> further than, say, ChaOS
<ElGato> Prick UNIX
<ElGato> heh
<ElGato> that's what system V is
<ruiner> help! my WeeniOS got stuck in Windows
<tcn> yeah Skynyrd rocks!
<ruiner> skynyrd rules
<liar> tcn: have u tried chaos?
<tcn> nope, you?
<liar> yup
<tcn> and?
<ruiner> anybody know of any multitasking dos projects?
<tcn> (wow no response from abi)
<ElGato> FreeDOS
<tcn> multitasking is a piece of cake
<ruiner> how many people are working on it? do you know?
<liar> well its a 40k classical uk that uses fat and is meant to replace the linux kernel
<tcn> I don't know WHY anyone would want to clone DOS
<liar> tcn: have u seen the chaos web page?
<tcn> yeah
<ruiner> dos was by far my favorite command line os
<liar> it says that windows sucks cuz it crashes (true) and linux sucks cuz its based on stone-age unix, but hurd is so much better :)
<tcn> but do you think a p133 is fast enough for the hurd?
<liar> when u take a dumpy old hard to use os like unix and give it a bloated uk it becomes better
<ruiner> I don't care how old whatever a os is based on...linux rox....the old tech argument is crap
<tcn> yup
<ruiner> but...linux is a wounded animal when compared to be
<AlonzoTG> DOS is my favorite OS period
<liar> ruiner: linux is still faster then beos
<tcn> I don't even try to say Retro is high-tech :)
04:50pm
<AlonzoTG> linux pisses me off
<ruiner> bah!
<ruiner> not nearly as slick though
<liar> ruiner: beos to linux ftp 800kBps, linux to linux ftp 1.1MBps
<ruiner> blah blah blah
<tcn> be to be?
<AlonzoTG> om
<ruiner> I hear Be is gonna try to sneak into the server market
<tcn> is beos reliable?
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<ruiner> be to be doesn't matter much right now...since almost everything is win nt or linux
<liar> hahaha, beos is not ready for primetime
<liar> right now beos is single user
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<ruiner> bull....
<tcn> it's prolly better than NT though
<liar> R6 is said to be multiuser
<ruiner> give it 6 months
<tcn> look at all the idiots using Windows internet servers
<ruiner> 30 guys working on Be, thousands on linux...and the 30 are putting the thousands to shame
<tcn> well they're getting paid :)
<liar> R5 they are gonna remove the storage drivers from its fat bloated 800k uk and put tcp/ip into it so then it can get better bandwidth
<liar> ruiner: no they arent
<liar> ruiner: linux kicks ass over beos
<tcn> small teams of pro's will always beat thousands of 'average' people
<ruiner> yeah they are
<ruiner> look at how long its taken them and what they've accomplished so far
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<liar> ruiner: reality check, beos was started in what '91
<tcn> hehe
<tcn> like Linux
<s_r> liar: what book has ISBN 0672306557?
<liar> look at where linux is today and where beos is
<s_r> liar: that's partly because linux is open-source
<liar> ruiner: do u own beos?
<ruiner> no...played with it though...
<ruiner> brb...somebody needs the phone
<liar> ruiner: i OWN it
<liar> ruiner: its UI sucks shit
<liar> ruiner: its web browser sucks shit
<tcn> hehe
<AlonzoTG> Go to Amazon.com and look up that ISBN...
<AlonzoTG> =\
<liar> ruiner: its filesystem layout sucks shit
<s_r> liar: but it's fast
<tcn> Chuck Moore recently said if you're not sure what to write, try writing a good web browser
<tcn> NS & IE really suck
<liar> s_r: when compared to windows yes
<liar> and there is absolutely nothing that can be customized in beos
<liar> u get it their way or their way
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<ElGato_> hmmm
<ElGato_> i reckon im gonna have to write an FPU.inc
05:00pm
<ElGato_> i take it beos sucks shit
<tcn> it's probably like a fast MacOS for the PC
<tcn> damn, these other tunes people are all getting into Java
* ElGato_/#tunes pukes
<ElGato_> java is ok but it's slow
<ElGato_> i guess im just no into interpreted languages
<s_r> plus BeOS is closed source
<ElGato_> if only it were compiled
<s_r> and not free
<tcn> hey sr, you should get a nick
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05:10pm
<ElGato_> what does s_r stand for?
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<ElGato> if someone requests a version how do i give it to em?
<pyro> I got it already
<ElGato> ok
<pyro> by panasync - Linux 2.2.4 : Keep it to
<pyro> 
<pyro> ak 
* ElGato/#tunes knows jack shit about bitchx
<pyro> CTCP VERSION reply from ElGato: BitchX-75+Deb1an+ by panasync
<pyro> u type /ctcp pyro version
<s_r> .ctcp pyro version
<pyro> or /ctcp #chan version
<pyro> haha
<s_r> wtf is Deb1an?
<pyro> debian linux
<ElGato> CTCP VERSION replay from pyro: TomX - Retro 1.0.7
<ElGato> :D
<ElGato> j/k
<pyro> that's right your a windows lamer
<pyro> ;)
<ElGato> who is?
<s_r> Retro doesn't utilize any Tunes ideas, why do you call it a tunes prototype when it's just a separate project?
<pyro> actually it already does most of what the Tunes LLL calls for
<s_r> oh
<s_r> hmm i guess i'll just see how Fare will cope with it
<pyro> he wants to write a Scheme interpreter for it
* s_r/#tunes is running Windows 95... powered by Microsoft, enpowering a future information generation!
<pyro> most people who use computers shouldn't even bother
<s_r> pyro do u know that if windows 95 detects linux on any harddrive attached to the computer, it secretly sends a notice to Microsoft?
<s_r> i had this on a LAN and the sniffer picked up the notice
<pyro> MS didn't know about linux when they wrote 95
05:20pm
<s_r> pyro: do u want Windows source code?
<pyro> FUCK NO!!
<pyro> heh
<pyro> remember when people used to spread rumours on pirate bbses about having Windows source?
<s_r> i'm sure they had it
<s_r> just as i am sure some people have BeOS source
<ElGato> hey noon of that Euro trash "rumour" in here
<pyro> I wouldn't doubt it
<pyro> IBM owns half of this town
<s_r> ElGato: you're Euro Trash aren't you?
<ElGato> s_r: uh no
<pyro> it prolly wasn't hard for someone to get OS/2 source
<pyro> endicott would have been Silicon Valley, except it was vacuum tubes and relays, at the time :)
<pyro> it's almost as polluted though
<s_r> ElGato's got contacts in the industry
<ElGato> uh
<ElGato> wtf are you talking about?
<pyro> yeah I know lots of temps at IBM
<pyro> if I got paid that low I'd rip them off
<pyro> (IBM)
<s_r> i think that's what i'm going to do
<s_r> get a job at Be inc. or some place neat and rip off src
<s_r> SGI maybe
<ElGato> haha if you can get access to it
<pyro> Nintendo division :)
<ElGato> each programmer is probably in charge of one header file and they can't see any others
<pyro> hahahaahhhh
<pyro> I know a guy who does N64 games.. he says there's like 3 programmers
<pyro> and they use gcc
<s_r> and the OpenGL libs?
<ElGato> no there's a N64 dev kit
05:30pm
<pyro> gcc is part of the dev kit
<ElGato> oh
<ElGato> i see
<pyro> basically it's a $300 interface that they charge $10000 for, and some free software
<s_r> i want to program an OS for the n64
<s_r> pyro: should i buy an SGI Indigo2?
<pyro> only if it's cheap
<pyro> what kinda CPU does it have? MIPS?
<s_r> r4400
<s_r> i'm looking at them on ebay
<pyro> yeah, that's like what the N64 has
<s_r> pyro: what do you think of Alpha?
<pyro> go buy some crack
<s_r> heh
<pyro> never used an alpha
<pyro> except a little bit, in VMS
<pyro> looked like any old VAX though
<pyro> anyway, alpha isn't cost-competitive
<pyro> it also ain't RISC, it's got almost as many instructions as a pentium
<ElGato> oh
<ElGato> alpha sucks then
<ElGato> i thought it was risc
<pyro> oh it's designed better
<s_r> hmm this is really strange
<pyro> but it's funny how the Alpha is "RISC" but the 68000 with 52 instructions "isnt'
<s_r> i saw this instruction in some gcc output:
<s_r> movsbl -5(%ebp), %eax
<s_r> and in the intel manuals
<s_r> it saws movsb takes it from ES:ESI and into DS:EDI or whatever, and doesn't have operands
<ElGato> it's intel syntax vs. at&t syntax
<pyro> typo?
<s_r> but the syntax can't differ so much that operands are different
05:40pm
<pyro> it assembles it
<pyro> wtf?
<pyro> anyone know how to get a flat binary with ld?
<s_r> ld it regularly
<s_r> and then use dd to strip it off
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<s_r> that's how they do it in boot sector development
<pyro> I wonder what core does
<ElGato> ok
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<ElGato> how the fuck do i compile this bitch though?
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<pyro> oh he uses nasm :)
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<ElGato> who's he?
<pyro> emmanuel marty
<s_r> pyro: do you know why it assembles (the movsb ebp eax)?
<ElGato> how do i compile retro
<ElGato> apparently im missing some files in the snap shot or something?
<pyro> yeah
<ElGato> odb.mac
<pyro> bforth.fo is a symlink
05:50pm
<pyro> and it looks for some other stuff in ../retro/
<pyro> do you have cvs?
<ElGato> yeah bbut i don't know where to look for retro with it
<pyro> or just download the CVS snapshot (not v9)
<ElGato> is that more current?
<pyro> put it under the same directory v9 is under
<pyro> v9 is current
<pyro> or more so, anyway
<pyro> I haven't uploaded the one with IDE & video support
<ElGato> how will i get the snapshot through cvs
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<ElGato> where do i look?
<pyro> just get the .tar.bz2 snapshot
<pyro> on the web page
<ElGato> fine
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<pyro> "daily snapshot"
<ElGato> how will i add my changes after they're tested?
<ElGato> and approved of course
<s_r> pyro: have you added a lot to retro?
<pyro> just diff them against the original
<pyro> mail me the diff output
<ElGato> k
<pyro> you go "diff original_file new_file > diff_output"
<ElGato> k
<pyro> make sure ya don't extract v9.tgz over your modified version :)
<ElGato> uh how do i UNbzip something?
<pyro> cd v9 ; tar zxvf v9.tgz ; mv v9 ../v9.orig
<pyro> bunzip2 -c file.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
<pyro> bzip is annoying
<pyro> and slow
<ElGato> hehehehehehe
<ElGato> bunzip
<ElGato> hehehehe
<pyro> it uses Huffman encoding, like ARJ
<pyro> Lempel-Ziv is a lot faster so most people use that
<ElGato> too much printing
<pyro> huffman is too slow to use real-tiem
06:00pm
<ElGato> i like tar and gzip
<s_r> i like bzip
<pyro> hey cool I found a menu interface for cvs
<pyro> cvs is a pain in the royal ass
<ruiner> where do I find the 32 bit binary for nasm for windows?
<ruiner> I can only find it gzipped for linux
<pyro> on www.cryogen.com/nasm?
<pyro> the stuff I have in my ftp dir should be considered obsolete; 0.98 is out
<ruiner> checking...
<pyro> oh yeah, I should post 0.98 compiled with the XCOM patch, if I'm gonna use XCOM
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<pyro> hi abi
<ElGato> uh
06:10pm
<ElGato> diff doesn't seem to exist on bespin
<ruiner> abi is a script dude
<abi> hi pyro
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<hcf> that sometimes has someone controling what she says
<hcf> ruiner: she's not a script
<ruiner> fine...she's a bot
<pyro> ruiner: i'm tcn
<s_r> pyro = tcn
<s_r> not tbn
<s_r> i wish Fare were here
<hcf> i wish lbt were here
<s_r> Fare: DUDE I NEED TO ASK YOU SOMETHING
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<hcf> s_r: use email
* pyro/#tunes laughs
* s_r/#tunes laughs
<pyro> damn CuRvEs is slow
<s_r> curves?
<pyro> the CVS menu program
* pyro/#tunes puts on his uncle's favorite Metallica song
<pyro> the country one
<s_r> pyro: play some good music
<hcf> pyro: i thot all the new ones were country ;)
<pyro> I don't have anything past LOAD
<s_r> hcf: do you know anything about AT&T instructions/syntax?
<s_r> pyro: any Skinny Puppy?
<hcf> s_r: whatcha need?
<pyro> nope. are they an "industrial" band
<s_r> hcf: i saw this instruction "movsbl -5(%ebp), %eax" in some gcc -S output, and then i looked "movsb" up in the intel manual and it says it takes no operands
<s_r> what's going on?
06:20pm
<pyro> hey that song "wasting my hate" is cool
<s_r> pyro: you should learn to appreciate good music
<s_r> ;)
<ruiner> bbl... 
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<pyro> Brandy is cool :)
<s_r> well what's "movsbl" in AT&T syntax
<s_r> damn do i have to look thru the "as" source code :)
<pyro> it's probably just a regular MOV
<pyro> well, eax is the destination (backwards from intel syntax)
<pyro> it's accessing a local variable
<s_r> pyro: i know :P
<pyro> if it was + instead of -, it would be a parameter
<pyro> I got it!
<pyro> 'sbl' means 'sign-extend byte to long'
<pyro> it's a 'char' variable right?
<s_r> right
<pyro> so that's really a movzx eax, byte [ebp-5]
<pyro> hhahahahahah
<pyro> rofl
<pyro> god ATT syntax is stpuid
<pyro> Motorola syntax is nice though
<s_r> what does "sign-extend byte to long" do?
<pyro> well, it's a byte variable so it only fills AL
<pyro> zero-extend would fill the rest of EAX with zeroes
<hcf> s_r: http://ftp.uni-klu.ac.at/gnu/gas/as_193.html
<pyro> sign-extend fills it with zeros, but sets the MSB to 1 if it's negative
<pyro> err
<liar> wrong
<pyro> it makes it negative
<liar> wrong
<pyro> in 2's complement
<liar> if the byte is negative then it fills eax with 1's
<s_r> hmm hcf the man with the URLs
<pyro> it makes it a negative 32-bit number if it was a negative 8-bit number
<liar> if not negative then zeros
<s_r> liar: what instruction in intel syntax would be equal to "movsbl" in AT&T
<pyro> I told you
<pyro> movzx eax, byte [ebp-5]
<pyro> movsx
<s_r> hcf: you always know the best websites for peoples' questiosn
<s_r> questions
06:30pm
<pyro> he's a web geek
<hcf> s_r: as u might notice, that page is from the as manual, something u should of checked b4 asking the question
<s_r> ok
<s_r> good idea
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<pyro> hehe
<pyro> my server's namesake got run over by a minivan
06:50pm
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<ruiner> I have returned!
<pyro> rsync is cool
<pyro> 'bout time I used it
07:00pm
<ruiner> hmmmmm....whys it so quiet in here?
<pyro> busy
<ruiner> anybody know a site with some good ide's for nasm?
<ruiner> nasm edit and nasm ide aren't going to cut it
<pyro> I use 'joe'
<pyro> pico is also good
<s_r> jed!
<pyro> hey I gotta get pico
<ruiner> linux turd
<ruiner> I should write my own....too bad I'm a pud
<s_r> pyro: when will Retro be at the stage of development that linux is in?
07:10pm
<pyro> when it is
<ruiner> ruiner?
<abi> you are plain sucking
<ruiner> lol
<pyro> me?
<pyro> tcn?
<abi> tcn is the author of retro
<pyro> abi: i am tcn
<pyro> me?
<abi> somebody said pyro was tcn
<s_r> me?
<abi> i heard s_r was working on a little thing called Virix
<s_r> abi: forget me
<abi> s_r, I didn't have anything matching me
<s_r> abi: forget s_r
<abi> s_r: I forgot s_r
<s_r> abi: s_r is a windows loser
<pyro> no, s_r is a windows luser
<pyro> s_r?
<abi> s_r is a windows loser
<pyro> you?
<pyro> abi: no, s_r is a windows luser
<abi> okay, pyro.
<pyro> heh
<pyro> why you still got windows anyway?
<ruiner> windows is the most stable, efficient, speedy os on earth
<ruiner> so sayeth bill
<s_r> pyro: linux sucks
<s_r> BSD sucks
<s_r> BeOS is closed source
<s_r> retro, brix, dolphin, tunes, and clementine are cool
<s_r> but they aren't mature enough yet
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<hcf> s_r: r u forgeting storm?
<s_r> hcf: when are you going to start coding your OS
<s_r> ?
<hcf> probly never
<ruiner> yeah hcf....I'd like to see that...
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<hcf> ruiner: why?
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<pyro> ack
<hcf> nak
<pyro> ack
<pyro> dammit
<hcf> abi: InterMezzo is a new distributed fs at http://www.inter-mezzo.org
<pyro> rsync is wierd
<pyro> c'mon rsync move yo ass!
<pyro> SFS looks cooler
07:40pm
<pyro> it uses public keys to allow decentralized control
<hcf> pyro: hp url for sfs?
<pyro> sfs?
<hcf> abi dont know
<hcf> as usual, i check her 1st b4 asking a human
<hcf> s/eck/ecked/
<pyro> it's at the same place as Xok
<pyro> except it's hard to follow the links to it
<pyro> abi: SFS is at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz
<pyro> that's all I could find
<pyro> maybe the NSA hassled them
<hcf> abi: mazieres is at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~dm/
<pyro> that's what they did with the RSA paper.. fucken assholes
<hcf> abi: no, sfs is at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/
<abi> okay, hcf.
<pyro> good work hcf
<pyro> wait!
<pyro> wrong SFS
07:50pm
<pyro> #tunes is interested in the first one
<pyro> SFS is at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz
<pyro> abi, sfs?
<abi> somebody said sfs was at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/
<pyro> SFS is also at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz
<abi> okay, pyro.
<pyro> abi, sfs?
<abi> sfs is at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/ or at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz
<hcf> abi: sfs is also also see mazieres
<abi> okay, hcf.
<pyro> abi: sfs is a secure distributed fs at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz (also see mazieres) or an encrypted windows fs at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/
<abi> ...but sfs is at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/ or at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz or also see mazieres...
<pyro> abi:no,  sfs is a secure distributed fs at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz (also see mazieres) or an encrypted windows fs at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/
<abi> okay, pyro.
<pyro> sfs?
<abi> sfs is a secure distributed fs at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/sfs:mazieres-ms.ps.gz (also see mazieres) or an encrypted windows fs at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/sfs/
<pyro> whew
<pyro> abi, mazieres?
<abi> mazieres is at http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~dm/
<pyro> damn, 11:00
<hcf> pyro: is that paper the only thing that exists for SFS?
<pyro> that I've found so far
<pyro> that's ok, it tells all that's important
<pyro> the implementation they did was a crude thing, on top of unix
<pyro> assuming they even tried it :)
<hcf> http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~rebel/sfs/
08:00pm
<pyro> nope, that's like the .nz one
<pyro> the MIT SFS is a distributed fs
<pyro> sfs is a bad name for it
<hcf> also conflicts w/ things like: http://www.mit.edu:8001/activities/mitsfs/
<pyro> haha
<pyro> scifi
<hcf> another sfs at http://www.interlog.com/~gray/SFS.html
<pyro> hehe
<pyro> tha'ts more like it
08:10pm
<pyro> looks kinda like our persistent store
<hcf> http://www.cys.de/simons/autoconf-archive/msg00033.html
<pyro> gray's SFS looks like the same sort of idea as dm's
<pyro> hey I'm gonna take off
<pyro> some of these SFS's look pretty cool though.. keep lookin..
<hcf> k cya
<pyro> later
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<s_r> hey hcf
<hcf> hoy s_r
<s_r> what do you think of BeOS?
<hcf> never used it
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<s_r> <HanSolo> I seriously doubt most of you people who puff up about BeOS, Linux, etc., really USE the shit on your main machine.
<ruiner> lol
<ruiner> this hansolo guy sounds like a retard
<s_r> <HanSolo> When my 95 crashes, I've been running WAAAA AY too much shit, and I know it. It's almost NEVER the OS's fault.
<ruiner> at best he's arguing over something completely pointless, at worst he lets computers rule his life
<ruiner> did you tell him if it crashes at all it IS the os's fault?
<s_r> his devotion to windows 95?
<ruiner> the only way it should crash is if you're TRYING to crash it
<ruiner> like forcibly overwriting the kernel in memory or something
<hcf> ruiner: why would u like to see me start coding my os?
<s_r> hcf is an asm wiz i would be cool to see a highly optimized kernel
<hcf> i never said i was an asm wiz
<ruiner> I'm interested to see what you'd come up with
<ruiner> know the saying about those that do the most talking do the least walking? you're usually pretty quiet
<s_r> yeah
<s_r> i'm one of those that do the most talking and the least walking
<s_r> hmmm hcf is pretty quiet
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<ruiner> hmmmmm.....
<ruiner> do octagons mesh?
<ruiner> no they don't....dammit
09:50pm
<liar> its always funny to hear an idiot say linux sucks
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<liar> and how great windows is cuz they, the stupid idiot, were able to install and use it
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<ruiner> yeah, the fact that idiots can install it doesn't make it great
10:00pm
<liar> <ruiner> windows is the most stable, efficient, speedy os on earth
<ruiner> apparently you haven't yet discovered sarcasm
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<liar> hmm
<liar> brix isnt getting into pmode
10:20pm
<liar> ruiner: know anything about pmode 
<ruiner> nope
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