IRC log started Wed Aug 11 00:00:00 1999
<liar> ofcourse it does use more cache so the cache might need to be filled more often
<liar> and u might get a hit when that happens
<eihrul> but would people really be using system calls in tight loops anyway?
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0811
<liar> no
<liar> oops
12:10am
<liar> i had the tss.ss0 loaded with dpl3 ds instead of my dpl0 ds
<liar> now my call gates work
<eihrul> hrmm...
<ruiner> yippee
<liar> kewl my debugger works with my new kernel and i didnt make changes to it
<liar> er not debugger
<liar> my bsod
<liar> and its so much nicer looking than the m$ bsod
<eihrul> what makes your bsod of death so much cooler?
<liar> cuz my bsod stands for black screen of death :)
<eihrul> ah ha!
<liar> and it has a colorful brix logo
<eihrul> black is truly the coolest color there possibly ever was
<liar> indeed
<ruiner> my color scheme is black, white and green
* eihrul/#tunes has black, blue, and hints of white
<eihrul> and grey, if you count text
<liar> my color scheme is just like the brix page
<eihrul> so long as it isn't bright pink or yellow, it's cool :)
<liar> i think i will put my animated brix logo on my bsod
<liar> the brix letters all come flying out from the sides
<eihrul> throbbing brix
<eihrul> you could make Visual BSOD
<liar> and cross over each other and then land in there spots
<eihrul> it could have a user friendly interface
<eihrul> with a modular architecture
<eihrul> so third parties can insert they're own programs into a dock at the bottom of the BSOD
<eihrul> er their
12:20am
<liar> well right now the bsod is to display exceptions, but in the future it will be only for kernel panics
<liar> it will say "the brix kernel is fucked, and so are you. have a nice day"
<liar> heh, ya ill add a taskbar
<liar> i think i will just sell space on the bsod
<liar> "your ad here"
<liar> crap, night
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<ruiner> Mine will say "any of you fucking pricks move, and I'll execute every mother fucking last one of ya"
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<_NaRCoTiX> How can I bypass the X startup and go to the terminal, like preesing F8 in Windows and going to command-prompt
<_NaRCoTiX> in Linux
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<ElGato> buenos dias
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<ruiner> yo yo yo
09:50am
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<ruiner> greetings
<jayc> hello.
* jayc/#tunes searches around trying to figure out what tunes is all about.  I know where the homepage is, just thought I might catch a discussion.  maybe I should check the logs.
<ruiner> if you can get fare's attention he'll tell you all about what its hopefully going to be
<jayc> well, i dont want to be rude and message him all the time or anything, thanks for comment.
<ruiner> just leave him a pm or something
<ruiner> or e-mail him...in which case he'll probably just point you to what you've already read
<jayc> yeah, I'll just scan the website.
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<ElGato> hi
<eihrul> 'lo there
<ElGato> what's up
<eihrul> just woke up
<eihrul> reading slashdot/freshmeat
<ElGato> i woke uup a long time ago
<ElGato> i got up at 5:30 and went running for an hour
<eihrul> i used to wake up then...
<eihrul> but i have to totally screw up my sleeping hours since school starts in two weeks
<eihrul> i can't be waking up on time for school, that would be evil
01:30pm
<ElGato> hehehe
<ElGato> what grade you in?
<eihrul> will be going into 12th this year
<ElGato> i see
<eihrul> so it's senior year
<eihrul> i have to slack off even more than all previous years put together :)
<ElGato> i'll be going into 9th this year so i must endure the tounting of people going "FRESHMAN!"
<eihrul> i never got that really
01:40pm
<ElGato> oh well
<ElGato> i'll have to see
01:50pm
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<ElGato> pyro!!!
<pyro> sup' gato?
<ElGato> nothin but the rent
<pyro> I get a night off
<ElGato> from work?
<pyro> from my band
<ElGato> oh
<ElGato> heh
<pyro> my chance to cook up some grub & start hacking
<ElGato> i've been wanting to takl to you about floating point shit
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<liar> KEWL
<liar> u guys watch the news?
<ElGato> no
<liar> salt lkae just had 2 tornadoes
<liar> we have never had one before
<liar> f2
<ElGato> small
<liar> ripped the fuck outta salt lake
<liar> tornadoes arent suppose to be able to form here
<liar> cuz the mountains
<ElGato> i was thinking more like an f7 or f8 :D
<ElGato> did it take any water away?
<liar> the one came right out of the sky and ripped the rook off the dlta center, were the jazz play bbal
<hcf> liar: the gov is using utah for a testing ground for its artifial tornados;)
<liar> hah
<ElGato> we can't have em in california
<hcf> the gov could care less about u mormons
<ElGato> southern california that is
<eihrul> hcf: yep... they planted aids, right?
<liar> ElGato: ya but u get the earth quakes
<ElGato> yeah
<liar> utah is suppose to be the safest place to live cuz we dont get anything, unless that wasatch fault gives away then were all just fucked
<hcf> eihrul: how many gov ppl have aids?
* eihrul/#tunes is in the comfortable middle, Nevada. No earthquakes. No tornados.
<eihrul> hcf: haha... you never see many
<liar> eihrul: no water
<ElGato> people in the south are always like (oh man that tornadoe we had that destroyed my house was one thing but i wouldn't want to live in california cause of the earthquakes
<eihrul> that's just a minor point
<eihrul> we have underground lakes :)
02:30pm
<eihrul> and we just leech off the Colorado Riv
<ElGato> we have an earthquake every seven years or so
<liar> eihrul: its hotter than hell in nevada
<eihrul> nope
<liar> i went there once in the summer
<eihrul> it's very comfortable after awhile
<liar> my face started on fire
<ElGato> nevada s pretty cool actually
<eihrul> i barely notice it any more... until you start sweating :)
<eihrul> but that takes a few hours
<ElGato> it isn't humid
<liar> well it was about 110 or 120 when i was there
<ElGato> which makes it nice
<eihrul> rarely goes to 120
<ElGato> go to louisiana dude
<eihrul> more in the mid 105-115
<liar> it wasnt bad when i went in october
<pyro> hehe
<ElGato> it's the same temerature all thje time
<pyro> here it is, on the radio
<liar> pyro: salt lake?
<pyro> ya
<liar> i knew we would make national news
<liar> bein our first tornado
<liar> er, our first TWO
<ElGato> ah yes it's here on excite
<pyro> they said some guy got crushed under a steel beam
<eihrul> that could potentially suck
<liar> kewl
<liar> 4 dead
<liar> 104 injured
<pyro> then that nazi guy, he got all the way to Vegas..
<ElGato> i bet the mormons will think it's an omen
<liar> ya cuz it jumped right over the mormon temple
<liar> it fucked up everything around it but skipped it
<eihrul> quick, go bomb it
<liar> heh
<eihrul> before they can gloat about it
<ElGato> liar: dress up in a toga and  go up to a priest and say "this is god, bring me all your booze i know you have"
<liar> ElGato: damnit, yer stupid nick comp is on again
<eihrul> or i'll bring another tornado to smite your temple
<ElGato> bummer
02:40pm
<pyro> oooh the MS trial
<liar> oh ya that started again yesterday didnt it
<pyro> the "browser market".. ahahha
<pyro> how hard is it to write a browser?
<ElGato> i did a current events report on the m$ case for my social studies class
<liar> hmm they dont mention our second tornado
<ElGato> i got an A
<liar> i guess if it just killed animals in the mountains and not ppl then no one cares
<eihrul> free food!
<liar> heh
<pyro> we get tornados sometimes in NY.. especially in the west..
<liar> it was kewl cuz it got dark outside
<liar> dark as night
<ElGato> liar: where in utah do yo live?
<liar> salt lake
<liar> the smaller tornado touched down in the mountains about 2 miles west of my home and the bigger one touched down 10 miles east of my home
<ElGato> scheme
<ElGato> er
<ElGato> damnit
<ElGato> what's a good interpreter for scheme in linux?
<liar> http://www.angelfire.com/nt/yessir/index3.html
<pyro> rscheme?
<abi> i guess rscheme is by Kolby, originally under Wilson's guidance
<eihrul> 10 / 2 == 5... 5 + 2 == 7, some kinda weird religious day... it was an attack on the mormons
<eihrul> conspiracy material
<liar> im not religious, what does 7 have to do with anything?
<eihrul> no idea... :)
<eihrul> neither am i... 
<liar> then wtf was the math for?
<eihrul> conspiracy
02:50pm
<ElGato> liar: well if you have a better idea we're all ears
<ElGato> :)
<liar> man that would suck if u worked downtown
<liar> they cant go home tonight
<liar> especially those luser mormons in the temple
<ElGato> liar: is it really hard to get ahold of booze in salt lake?
<liar> it destroyed everything around the temple so they are stuck in and cant get out
<liar> u can get booze here
<liar> we have liquor stores 
<liar> bear is like 2-3%
<ElGato> do all the mormon kids try to "lead you on the right path"? :)
<liar> in provo, home of novell,caldera,etc u cant buy alcohol on sundays
<liar> the temple is in salt lake but provo is were most of the mormons live
<liar> mormons kids?
<ElGato> i remember when i was in third grade and this mormon kid was in my class
<liar> in salk lake u see about 1 in a 100,000 kids that are good
<ElGato> i was trying to make conversation with him one day and i didn't know what to say so i said "i wonder when jesus is gonna come back"
<liar> in provo they are all good
<ElGato> and he was all "What are you talking about?!  He already did you idiot!"
<liar> i think the cops in provo can shoot to kill anyone that doesnt obey the mormon laws
<eihrul> el: "What's it like having two mothers?" :)
<eihrul> would have been a better question
<ElGato> hehehe
<liar> eihrul: hahahaha
<liar> actually, they dont have more than one mother
<eihrul> mmm... polygymy
<liar> each mother has her own home and her kids live there
<ElGato> yeah but when he's 18 they'll probably send him to some third world country where he'll be sold into slavery
<liar> the father just bounces around from house to house
<liar> its the same as having an affair but everyone knows about it
<liar> and its illegal
<ElGato> polygymy is cool
<liar> ya it lets u sleep with many women and not worry about getting caught
<ElGato> i'd rather stick with one wife though
<ElGato> call me old fashion
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<eihrul> two sets of chilrden would suck
<eihrul> at about 20, you'd start forgetting their names
<liar> ya but when yer wife gets mad at , u can still have sex with the others :)
<ElGato> "Hi Johnny"
03:00pm
<ElGato> "I'm Tom you dead beat!!!"
<pyro> my dad calls me Dave sometimes
<ElGato> my dad does too
<pyro> and we're his only two sons
<ElGato> since my name is Dave
<liar> my father never forgets my name
<pyro> he must really hate yer guts
<ElGato> thant didn't make sense
<ElGato> pyro: back to retro
<ElGato> what's all this about a floating point stack?
<pyro> the 80x87 has a register stack
<ElGato> and you wanna put the forth stack on teh 80x87?
<pyro> yeah
<pyro> just use it, it's there
<ElGato> anyone know where i can specs on the 80x97?
<ElGato> 80x87 rather
<pyro> in a 80486+ manual
<pyro> try Intel's www site
<pyro> do you have the cd's?
<ElGato> well i got the ppro manuals
<ElGato> will that help?
<pyro> yeah look there
<pyro> it has an FPU 
<ElGato> :D
03:10pm
<ElGato> yeah there is a whole shitload of stuff in chapter 17
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<ElGato> how big will the stack be?
<ElGato> as big as it is on the 80x87 or what?
<pyro> yeah
<pyro> 8 regs
<ElGato> is that how many the 80x97 has?
<pyro> 80x97?
<pyro> is that what the merced has?
<pyro> ;)
<ElGato> 80x87
<pyro> of course
<ElGato> k
<ElGato> so basically i gotta make some forth words?
<pyro> yup.. these forth words are just an interface to the FPU.. nothing fancy
<ElGato> could you email me some of your ideas (you're the forth expert here)
<ElGato> i mean words or whatever
<pyro> you could look at the ANS forth standard, somewhere at forth.org.. but beware, it's horrible
<pyro> just model the float-point math words after the regular math words.. F* instead of *, F+ instead of +, etc...
<ElGato> well we either use something that's standardized and sucks or something only retro uses but is cool
<pyro> FPU math can be both standardized AND good
<ElGato> so should i look at the ans forth docs?
<pyro> if you can read them
<ElGato> i looked at it once
<pyro> it's .5 to 1 meg compressed
<ElGato> it was pretty bad
03:20pm
<ElGato> k i found the floating point stuff
<hcf> abi: ans forth is at http://www.forth.org/dpans/dpans.html
<hcf> abi: forth faq is at ftp://ftp.forth.org/pub/Forth/FAQ
<ElGato> well im in no mood to do any o that right now (thos are a lot of words!)
<ElGato> i'll just do the exception handling andemu
<ElGato> then the forth words
<_sham> elgato you really have to learn more
<ElGato> about forth?
<_sham> buy some books :)
<ElGato> _sham: send me money
<ElGato> so i can buy books
<_sham> what books do you want?
<ElGato> im already buying the dragon book
<ElGato> but i gotta raise some cash after that
<_sham> dragon book?
<abi> dragon book is, like, a classic
<_sham> what's the dragon book?
<abi> well, the dragon book is a classic!
<ElGato> a book on compilers
<_sham> the one with the knight fighting the dragon on the cover?
<_sham> i saw that
<ElGato> uh huh
<_sham> flipped through it.. looks dumb
03:30pm
<ElGato> heh
<ElGato> mabye abi should repreat this again
<ElGato> abi: dragon book?
<abi> hmmm... dragon book is a classic!
<_sham> abi: ElGato?
<abi> it has been said that ElGato is annoyed when you ask that
<_sham> abi: ElGato also espouses outdated, non-technical books
<ElGato> pyro: make it so "bye" shutsdown retro
<ElGato> wtf
<_sham> pyro: is Forth being fully integrated into Retro?
<ElGato> the dragon book is technical
<ElGato> pyro: retro is a bootstrapped forth interpreter os
<hcf> _sham: u forgot the 'is' for that 'also'
<ElGato> er not pyro
<ElGato> sham
<eihrul> hmm... AOP looks odd, but cool
<pyro> art of prog.?
<eihrul> aspect orientated programming
<_sham> so all retro programs are in forth and not object code?
<pyro> no, forth is just the "glue" between you and the hardware
<pyro> I write a lot in assembly
<pyro> damn, this is a cool album!!!
<_sham> what's the title?
<pyro> Machine Head
03:40pm
<ElGato> is forth sexp?
<_sham> does anyone here know about remote sniffer detection?
<_sham> how can sniffers be remotely detected if they just read packets?
<ElGato> they have to send apacket back or something
<ElGato> i don't know cause im not a l3t cracker
<ElGato> l33t rather
<pyro> if you don't wanna be sniffed, don't use ethernet
<pyro> use point-to-poitn
<_sham> pyro: i know, but how are sniffers remotely detected?
<pyro> maybe you could do it with a spectrum analyzer
<ElGato> haha
<pyro> but that wouldn't help if it's running a computer that's normally on the lan
<ElGato> i think not
<pyro> umm..
<pyro> use bait
<pyro> send some packets that'll get the intruder's attention... like a password he couldn't get except by sniffing.. if he logs onto this 'bait' account you know he's there..
<ElGato> pyro: is the snapshot multi-tasking?
<pyro> no
<pyro> I don't have a use for that right now
<_sham> www.l0pht.com/projects/Retro.html
<ElGato> why is there a tss.asm thn?
<ElGato> or tss.inc or whatever
03:50pm
<pyro> what's this l0pht thing?
<_sham> pyro: i'm joking
<ElGato> l0pht heavy industries
<_sham> wouldn't you like l0pht to sponsor your OS :P
<pyro> I mentioned it to one of them last year
<_sham> really? you have connections with the l0pht?
<pyro> sure, I sent them email. big deal
<ElGato> _sham: and his connections crap
* _sham/#tunes wonders why pyro would do that
<pyro> if you have something intelligent to say they'll reply
<pyro> they're just freakin regular guys
<_sham> pyro: understood
<ElGato> _sham: you ever go to linenoise.org before?
<_sham> no
<_sham> why?
<ElGato> it was a kick ass place but i think it was shut down
<ElGato> l0pht kicks major ass though
<_sham> infonexus was cool too
<_sham> and technotronic
<ElGato> there was this one other palce that was coo ltoo
<ElGato> i forgot though
<pyro> nmrc.org
<ElGato> i don't know why they bother ehlping out nt people
<pyro> is he still around?
<_sham> www.bueno-labs.com/hacking/
<_sham> :)
<ElGato> he
<ElGato> h
<ElGato> well guys im off
<eihrul> hey, when does water usually arrive in here?
<ElGato> i gotta wash my dads truck an picl up bat shit
<_sham> elgato do you have linux installed yet?
<_sham> eihrul: when the faucet's on
<ElGato> _sham: i don't bother cause i got a winmodem
<pyro> later
<eihrul> i mean "water" as in the person, associated with the nick
<eihrul> of course
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<eihrul> but i should have seen that coming...
<_sham> that's like asking the town idiot where his money is
<eihrul> well, do you know?
<_sham> that's the whole point of the tale, everybody in the town knows ;)
<pyro> he might not have a schedule for IRC'ing
04:00pm
<eihrul> that's why i'm asking everyone in town
<eihrul> and not the town idiot :)
<eihrul> unless you figure yourself the town idiot
<_sham> hehe
<pyro> I got a winmodem once
<pyro> went back to the store and said, you can keep this piece of crap!
<_sham> hmmmm maybe you should go back to windows
<pyro> I am in windows
<pyro> I just pasted that version string from someone else on this chan so i'd look cool :)
<_sham> hahahah
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<_sham> http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/blkcrwl/
<pyro> look at the radio network stuff
<_sham> read about Magick and Bio-engineering
<_sham> i'm sure fare would like it
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<ElGato> it sucks when pyro isn't here
<eihrul> perhaps
<ElGato> kfkfkfkfkfkfkffkfkfkfkfk
<_sham> KFC
<eihrul> We do chicken right.
<ElGato> i begin to wonder with you sometimes s_r
<_sham> or it could be "kafka" without the "a"
05:00pm
<ElGato> do steal my sunshine
<ElGato> er...don't
<_sham> ElGato: are you going to ask your family members for help with the compiler? :P
<ElGato> no
<ElGato> my brother isn't taking his compiler class till fall
<ElGato> the rest of my family doesn't know anything about computers really
<_sham> why don't you just take a compiler course
<ElGato> hahaha
<ElGato> rofl
<ElGato> yeah like im gonna go to UCSD and just sign up for the class
<ElGato> like i even have any of the prerequisites
<_sham> hmmm read some books
<ElGato> geez
<ElGato> as i said im getting a book
<_sham> heh
<_sham> i've already coded an optimizing Lengua compiler without the help of any reference
<ElGato> :D
<ElGato> don't use my compilers name ho
<_sham> heh
<_sham> <ElGato> it makes my heart sing
<ElGato> uh huh
<ElGato> <HickServ> it makes my heart sing 
<ElGato> more like it
<_sham> you have the weirdest quotes
<ElGato> you should look at june
<ElGato> that was when i was in my prime
<ElGato> *yawn*
<ElGato> writing a scheme interpreter is rally easy
05:10pm
<ElGato> really rather
<_sham> what does /raw do?
<ElGato> beats the hell out of me
<_sham> @$@!$@#$!@
<ElGato> !!!
<ElGato> you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up
<ElGato> :D
<_sham> ah yes
<_sham> /raw sends raw commands to the irc server
<_sham> s
<_sham> so /raw PRIVMSG _sham :hi
<_sham> would be the equivalent of "/msg _sham hi"
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<ElGato> i used to do irc raw
<ElGato> it's timeconsuming to write privmsg #channel everytime though
<ElGato> it took me a while till i found out about :
<_sham> Administrator@WinNTbox:'C:\Windows'#
<_sham> that's how my prompt looks in win nt
<ElGato> im rewriting scanner.h again
<_sham> /kick ElGato stop writing portscanners
<ElGato> hehehe
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<ElGato> mabye i should change it to lexer.h
05:20pm
<ElGato> take away this ball and chain
<_sham> haha that song you constantly sing
<ElGato> i was lyin on the grass of sunday morning of last week
<ElGato> indulging in my self defeat
<_sham> indulging in my self-defeat
<ElGato> :D
<ElGato> don't steal my sunshine
<ElGato> that song owns me
<liar> man these home videos of the tornado are kewl
<ElGato> liar is getting of on the weather
<liar> with all the explosions from the transformers
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<liar> u would think it was kewl if it happened where u live
<_sham_> liar: what?
<liar> we had an F2 tornado hit today
<liar> the last tornado to hit salt lake was an f1 back in 1968
<liar> and it didnt do anything
<ElGato> when i fart it's an f8
<_sham_> ummm what about corve flores?
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<oklinux> what is Tunes ?
<abi> rumour has it Tunes is http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated or obnubilated
<ElGato> it's a language/os project to rethink computing
<eihrul> what is abi ?
<abi> somebody said i was the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or an Artificial Idiot or braindead or a crack addict infoslut or stubborn
<ElGato> www.tunes.org
<_sham_> Tunes is a musical OS.
<ElGato> if you like the project we're happy to have you or anyone else help out
<ElGato> shutup sham
<ElGato> it isn't a musical os
<eihrul> it could be
<_sham_> ElGato just mooches information from others, he doesn't do any actual work
<_sham_> :)
<eihrul> i thought tunes is about interpretation
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<liar> the only apps u can make for tunes are mp3, wav, and midi players
* ElGato/#tunes kicks sham
<eihrul> and if you choose to interpret tunes musically, it could be so
<_sham_> eihrul: that's going overboard
<eihrul> but, in principal
<eihrul> or principle :)
<eihrul> whichever is the correct spelling of the correct word
<liar> WOW, i put a little too much soy sauce in my noodles
<_sham_> it's princypel
<ElGato> in principal
05:30pm
<_sham_> liar: put some vinegar in it
<ElGato> liar: soy sauce is good the more the better
<eihrul> put some teriyaki sauce in
<eihrul> that evens out the soy nicely
<_sham_> liar: douse it in tabasco sauce/habenero pepper extract
<ElGato> :D
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<HickServ> i've come back from my watery grave to haunt you, ElGato
<ElGato> damit
<HickServ> i'm your former self...
<liar> i think we should all change nicks for a week and confuse the hell outta everyone
<HickServ> fare and tril have yet to change nicks
<liar> fare did
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<shamino> liar: how's corve flores?
<liar> he had a capital F, now he has a lowercase f
<liar> corvo flores
<ElGato> why is there an _ in _QZ?
<eihrul> aren't nicks case insensitive though?
<ElGato> no
<liar> eihrul: ya
<eihrul> so no change has been effectively made
<liar> but the capitalization stays how u set it
<liar> nickometer fare
<abi> 'fare' is 0% lame, liar
<eihrul> but ultimately, people interface through whatever case they wish
<liar> nickometer Fare
<abi> 'Fare' is 0% lame, liar
<liar> wtf?
<liar> i thought caps were la,e
<ElGato> nickometer Tril
<abi> 'Tril' is 0% lame, ElGato
<eihrul> nickomter CAPS
<shamino> nickometer _El_Ga_to_
<abi> '_El_Ga_to_' is 69% lame, shamino
<ElGato> nickometer ElGato
<abi> 'ElGato' is 0% lame, ElGato
<eihrul> nickometer CAPS
<abi> 'CAPS' is 69% lame, eihrul
<shamino> nickometer #$@$@_$%@_%@#_$@
<abi> '#$@$@_$%@_%@#_$@' is 99.9945% lame, shamino
<eihrul> there ya go
<eihrul> all caps is lame
<ElGato> heheh
<ElGato> cool
<eihrul> but not proper capitalization
<liar> i made it go off the scale
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<eihrul> nickometer _
<abi> '_' is 14% lame, eihrul
<l33thax0r> nickometer l33thax0r
<abi> 'l33thax0r' is 99.88% lame, l33thax0r
<eihrul> nickometer _______________________________________________
<abi> '_______________________________________________' is 99.9965% lame, eihrul
<liar> nickometer )*&!@^#&*^@!#)&*^!@*&#^@!*&#^@!)&#^!@^#@!&*()#^@*!&#^@!*&#^@!*&#^@!*&#^)@*!&^#)@&*!^#&*@!^#)(@!^#@(!&*#^()@!*!_#&_@*(!&#*&@!#_*(@&!#*_(&@!#@!H#KJ@!GH#J@GK!#JHG@!K#H@!#*(&@#)*&!@#*Y@!G#*^G@!#*@G!#)*!@#C*Y@!G!@#*)CG@!*)#&GC*@!G#C*&@G!#*)CG@)*#^GC!@*#GC)*!@G#)*@G!C*#G@*CG*@!G#*C!@G#*GC@!*#G*C@^!#
<abi> ')*&!@^#&*^@!#)&*^!@*&#^@!*&#^@!)&#^!@^#@!&*()#^@*!&#^@!*&#^@!*&#^@!*&#^)@*!&^#)@&*!^#&*@!^#)(@!^#@(!&*#^()@!*!_#&_@*(!&#*&@!#_*(@&!#*_(&@!#@!H#KJ@!GH#J@GK!#JHG@!K#H@!#*(&@#)*&!@#*Y@!G#*^G@!#*@G!#)*!@#C*Y@!G!@#*)CG@!*)#&GC*@!G#C*&@G!#*)CG@)*#^GC!@*#GC)*!@G#)*@G!C*#G@*CG*@!G#*C!@G#*GC@!*#G*C@^!#' is off the scale lame, liar
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* eihrul/#tunes feels like running C through the nickometer.
<liar> haha
<eihrul> i just need to find a choice snippet...
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<liar> nickometer mov ax,bx
<abi> 'mov' is 0% lame, liar
<liar> nickometer movax,bx
<abi> 'movax,bx' is 14% lame, liar
<eihrul> nickometer 'mov ax, bx'
<abi> ''mov' is 14% lame, eihrul
<eihrul> nickometer abi
<abi> 'abi' is 0% lame, eihrul
<liar> nickometer printf("hello");
<abi> 'printf("hello");' is 98.18% lame, liar
<liar> C is more lame than asm :)
<eihrul> nickometer (printhello)
<abi> '(printhello)' is 0% lame, eihrul
<^\_\|\}{^> nickometer nickometer
<abi> 'nickometer' is 0% lame, ^\_\|\}{^
<eihrul> damn it
<eihrul> nickometer (:lisp)
<abi> '(:lisp)' is 24% lame, eihrul
<^\_\|\}{^> abi: kill yourself
<eihrul> nickometer push[esp+ebx*2+1]
<abi> 'push[esp+ebx*2+1]' is 86% lame, eihrul
<eihrul> damn
<eihrul> still not quite as lame as C
<eihrul> nickometer push[es:esp+ebx*2+1]
<abi> 'push[es:esp+ebx*2+1]' is 99.54% lame, eihrul
<eihrul> ha!
<liar> that is not valid asm
<liar> u need a operand size
<liar> nickometer pushdword[es:esp+ebx*2+1]
<abi> 'pushdword[es:esp+ebx*2+1]' is 99.54% lame, liar
<liar> hmm that shoulda made it less lame
<^\_\|\}{^> liar: but pushes automatically push 32-bit values, don't they?
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<liar> no
05:40pm
<eihrul> nickometer pushl(%esp,%ebx,1)
<abi> 'pushl(%esp,%ebx,1)' is 99.66% lame, eihrul
<eihrul> goes to show you... AT&T assembly is evil
<liar> i think u need to specify a size on everything
<shamino> at&t > intel
<ElGato> nickometer !@#$%^&*()_+
<abi> '!@#$%^&*()_+' is 99.9916% lame, ElGato
<shamino> liar: are you an asm expert?
<liar> maybe
<eihrul> there is no try
<eihrul> as Yoda would say
<shamino> liar: how long did it take you to accumulate all this knowledge?
<ElGato> liar?
<abi> hmmm... liar is a child prodigy lamer
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<dclinux> what is tunes and why is it here
<ElGato> another one of ya eh?
<eihrul> tunes?
<abi> tunes is http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated or obnubilated
<eihrul> not enough people read the channel topic it seems
<ElGato> tunes is an os/language project to rethink computing at www.tunes.org
<ElGato> if you like the project feel free to contribute
<dclinux> i went to the web site and im more confused than ever. looks like you need a page called : "what is tunes"
<ElGato> dclinux: yeah well our head honcho doesn't seem to think so
<ElGato> unfortunately
<ElGato> i had trouble the first time i looked at it
<liar> hahahaha
<liar> home owner insurance doesnt cover tornados in utah
<dclinux> when the faq is explaining the faq you know you are in trouble :)
<ElGato> yeah
<ElGato> do you know lisp?
<abi> lisp is ((simply) (perfect))
<eihrul> el: there needs to be a name for that... the Tunes Effect, analogous to the naming of the Slashdot Effect
<liar> hundreds of ppl are now screwed
<eihrul> dc: a faq describing the faq itself is reflective
05:50pm
<shamino> dclinux: Tunes is a lot like Linux. They're both furry and green
<eihrul> and therefor, ironically fitting
<dclinux> liar that goes with the territory- in utah that is...
<ElGato> basically the idea behind tunes is to review computer science as we know it and create a language to build an advanced os on
<dclinux> if the husband dies who collects?
<dclinux> id love to stay tuned but my channel surf mode is on..
<dclinux> later
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<ElGato> :\
<ElGato> he won't be back
<eihrul> it's gotta be the bot
<ElGato> man...*moan*...linked lists make me horny
<eihrul> then binary trees make you double horny?
<ElGato> well i am actually writing a tree
<ElGato> doubly linked lists make me double horny though
<eihrul> synctactical?
<ElGato> yeah for a syntax tree
<eihrul> er -c :)
<shamino> does anyone here play Quake2?
<ElGato> can't say  i do
<eihrul> liar: there?
06:00pm
<ElGato> he's masturbating over my code :)
<eihrul> ah, ok
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<ElGato> how many args do you think afunction should be able to have
<ElGato> i gotta limit it somewhere
<eihrul> why do you have to limit?
06:10pm
<ElGato> cuae i don't want to bog it down with dynamic memory allocation
<eihrul> you won't
<ElGato> ah hell
<eihrul> if you need to allocate space to store them
<eihrul> simply allocate a sufficient number 
<eihrul> and if at any time during compilation it's not sufficient
<eihrul> just enlarge it
<ElGato> who the hell is gonna use 128 args
<eihrul> don't assume
<eihrul> :)
<eihrul> you don't even really need to bother to get rid of the extra allocated memory until you exit
<hcf> ElGato: who'll need more than 640k?
<ElGato> fine fine
<ElGato> i won't assume
<ElGato> i'll start it out as like 4 or 8 args
<eihrul> 640 kibibytes... mmm
<ElGato> then enlarg it
<ElGato> most functions aren't as big as 6 args
<eihrul> but some are
<eihrul> i'd start with 8
<eihrul> then probably just double the size every time you run out of space
<ElGato> geez why does carls junior have to give the US such a bad image
<eihrul> why? what're they doing now?
<shamino> ElGato: do you ever get the feeling "gee so much i have to learn"?
<ElGato> they're talking trash on europe on the radio
<ElGato> god i wish i had ops right now
06:20pm
<shamino> what did i say that was wrong?
<ElGato> you keep bugging me about learning
<ElGato> im doing that everyday
<ElGato> so shutup
<ElGato> you're annoying
<ElGato> the problem with lisp is that it make the lists for you so it doesn't make me horny
<hcf> abi: arity is the number of arguments a function or operator takes
<eihrul> where's arity derrived from?
<ElGato> abi: scheme
<abi> scheme is ((nearly) (perfect))
<ElGato> abi: no, scheme is a badass dialect of lisp
<abi> okay, ElGato.
<eihrul> scheme?
<abi> scheme is a badass dialect of lisp
<ElGato> abi: mathimatica
<eihrul> abi: mathematica
<abi> mathematica is more expensive
<ElGato> abi: mathematica?
<abi> well, mathematica is more expensive
06:30pm
<ElGato> abi: snarf?
<abi> elgato: i haven't a clue
<ElGato> abi: snarfing?
<abi> i haven't a clue, elgato
<hcf> the only jargonfile terms she has are ones ppl have put in
<ElGato> abi: snarfing is writing a programming language in it's self
<ElGato> so i put some in
<hcf> abi: forget snarfing
<abi> hcf: I forgot snarfing
<ElGato> hey
<abi> bonjour, ElGato
<ElGato> why?
<hcf> cuz the defn is wrong
<ElGato> no
<ElGato> it's right
<hcf> http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?snarf
<ElGato> D:
* ElGato/#tunes is imagining that hcf is a 12 year old asian girl
06:40pm
<ElGato> does c optimise tail-recursion?
<hcf> ElGato: ur snarf defn pertains to 'bootstrapping'
<hcf> why a 12 yr old asian grrl?
<ElGato> well your nick pertains to murder throuhg arson
<ElGato> because the compiler told me you were
<ElGato> "parser: hcf is a 12 year old asian girl"
06:50pm
<hcf> how does murder/arson connect to 12 yo asian female?
<ElGato> halt and catch fire
<ElGato> i researched you
<hcf> how so? /whois ?!
* ElGato/#tunes has his ways :)
<hcf> and...
<ElGato> not really actually
<hcf> hows it relate to a 12 yo asian female?
<ElGato> i think i fingered you
<ElGato> i forgot
<ElGato> i just made that up
07:00pm
<ElGato> are you anything other than the official TUNES knowledge distribution engineer?
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<shamino> he's the official web jockey
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<ElGato> i gotta go 
<ElGato> bye all
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07:10pm
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<hcf> abi: arity prolog is at http://www.arity.com
07:50pm
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