IRC log started Thu Oct 7 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1007 -:- SignOff td: #TUNES (td has no reason) -:- eihrul [eihrul@usr5-ppp84.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- eihrul [eihrul@usr5-ppp84.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[206.63.100.13]) -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [01:27am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from adams.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is adams.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from adams.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT(from adams.openprojects.net) -:- adams.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(22)] 6% -:- [global users on irc(158)] 41% -:- [invisible users on irc(227)] 59% -:- [ircops on irc(12)] 3% -:- [total users on irc(385)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(27)] (avg. 14 users per server) -:- [total channels created(145)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !adams.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 46 (45 clients) !adams.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#Tunes:5)] [ TUNES ] [ abi ] [ smkl ] [@Tril ] [ Syntax ] [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Net junction: irc.linux.com king.openprojects.net -:- Fare [fare@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #Tunes [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from king.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Net break: irc.linux.com jordan.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Net junction: irc.linux.com crichton.openprojects.net [openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from crichton.openprojects.net. 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[openprojects]!adams.openprojects.net Net break: irc.linux.com varley.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) -:- NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from irc.linux.com [01:54am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 192.876 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by adams.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: Interrupted system call -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- PING Register first.(from king.openprojects.net) -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from king.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is king.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from king.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from king.openprojects.net) -:- king.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(38)] 10% -:- [global users on irc(156)] 41% -:- [invisible users on irc(220)] 59% -:- [ircops on irc(12)] 3% -:- [total users on irc(376)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(29)] (avg. 12 users per server) -:- [total channels created(142)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !king.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 62 (60 clients) !king.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Your default nick is already in use -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: Free Reflective Computing System (http://www.tunes.org) -:- topic set by hcf [Wed Oct 6 12:13:22 1999] -:- [Users(#Tunes:6)] [ TUNES ] [ abi ] [@Tril ] [ Syntax ] [ Zhivago ] [ Fare ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 13.744 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net irc.linux.com -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [02:49am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net hmm, how bouncy 03:00am -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:04am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net alternet has gone arse up -:- NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from irc.linux.com [03:07am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (changing servers) -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net irc.linux.com -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes 03:10am -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:11am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:20am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net -:- NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:32am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [03:38am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net !irq:*! is it *really* that hard for the idiots at backbones to stop tripping over the wires?! i can't even get to userfriendly -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial594.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Hey... can anyone check whether www.technetcast.com is actually up? 03:50am -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Jesus would make a good main character for a Seinfeld spinoff" - Amber) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [04:10am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by king.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is devlin.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- devlin.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(22)] 6% -:- [global users on irc(138)] 40% -:- [invisible users on irc(210)] 60% -:- [ircops on irc(12)] 3% -:- [total users on irc(348)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(26)] (avg. 13 users per server) -:- [total channels created(144)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !devlin.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 56 (53 clients) !devlin.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#Tunes:6)] [ TUNES ] [ abi ] [@Tril ] [ Syntax ] [ Fare ] [ smkl ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.452 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [04:22am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: clarke.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by clarke.openprojects.net -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[10-070.006.popsite.net]) -:- joe3 [joe3@dc076-05-12.digitalaccess.duesouth.net] has joined #Tunes hi -:- SignOff joe3: #TUNES (Leaving) 06:30am -:- fire [no@209-68-229-56.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes :\ only a couple bots and a finn ;) -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) 06:50am -:- NetSplit: irc.linux.com split from lucas.openprojects.net [06:55am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [irc.linux.com] -:- Netjoined: irc.linux.com lucas.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by sterling.openprojects.net -:- NetSplit: lucas.openprojects.net split from devlin.openprojects.net [06:57am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [lucas.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: lucas.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by sterling.openprojects.net -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from devlin.openprojects.net [06:58am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by sterling.openprojects.net -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Timestamp problems. They should be resolved in a few minutes. Please bear with us. Thanks. !asprin.openprojects.net!! Received :sterling.openprojects.net SERVER devlin.openprojects.net from varley.openprojects.net !?! -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from devlin.openprojects.net [07:01am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by sterling.openprojects.net -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Time stamp problems have been resolved. Thanks much for your patience! -:- Syntax [dma@06-102.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us206.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial480.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Anyone paying attention to their IRC? i am 10:50am -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial480.infolink.com.br]) -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial841.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Anyone paying attention to their IRC clients? i am don't ping timeout this time I'm thinking about a new project what kind of? Like a bastard son of Tunes, LispM and Smalltalk lisp machine? 11:10am An reflective, completely OO integrated interactive development environment-slash-GUI that would run on top of an interactive Lisp compiler, which in turn would be able to run on top of a regular OS (like UNIX), as well as by itself (as a whole OS) Too many adjectives in the sentence, I know :) Plus, it'd be "A reflective..." On another note, can you check whether www.technetcast.com is up? (New program with Knuth) it's up Hrrm... friggin' odd I should try it from a different DNS 11:20am -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-184.ici.net] has joined #tunes morning all Anyhoo, currently I'm thinking about the Lisp dialect this would run. I'm already sketching it, planning to throw in a lot of functional stuff, also some ideas from REBOL... but the main thing would be configurability; you want to be able to set! variables, you say something like (symbol-table::allow-set? #t) I've looked at REBOL, it's interesting. I'm thinking about a package system, an _extremely flexible_ object system, on-the-fly alternate syntaxes, etc. REBOL is quite interesting... would be even better if it were OSS it's a Sassenrath project, it'll never be OSS Why? He an anti-Free bigot? He's anti OSS, he thinks that software is best maintained by a single person. * Downix/#tunes saw a book written by RMS at Borders last night almost bought it -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) Hrrm. * Downix/#tunes shrugs, Sassenrath is one of those odd fellows, he profited from OSS and yet doesn't see it's merit Oh well I recently read an interview with him (Sassenrath) at (the aforementioned) technetcast.com, he didn't specifically talk about OSS, but had nice things to say about Linux He has a lot of nice things to say about Linux. Doesn't mean he'll ever release his software as OSS tho gee, X 3.3.5 is fsck'd up who'd ever imagine XF86 that is Oh well, I can always make a REBOL clone (as an alternate Lisp syntax + networking features) anytime and release it under the GPL yup Usually the clones are better than the original of course I still use C * Downix/#tunes shrugs How come? It suits my needs 11:30am it's fast, flexible, relatively easy to customize, and most of all, portable too many other languages fail one of these necessities Hrrm Portable to where, mein freund? I run several systems w/ several OSes Linux, BSD, AmigaOS, BeOS, CP/M, even TOS Unless they're all POSIX-compatible, I dunno what you're talking about... Oh, so all you really do is Unix programming ;) hardly TOS and CP/M are nothing like UNIX but I have C for them I'm just saying that if an OS is out there, likely you'll find a C compiler for it somewhere CP/M isn't Unix, but it's simple(r) What is TOS, btw? TOS = Atari's OS. GUI-based OS which vanished after Apple sued Atari for the idea of a GUI for 10 years, driving it into bankrupcy from court costs Well, near bankrupcy. then it was bought out by JDR Systems, then Hasbro bought out JDR Oh well it was a nice OS, based on concepts from Xerox 11:40am And in what kind of old computer's haven do you run all these systems? My house I collect old systems and refurbish them Got a lot of money in you? "on you", rather Nope I pick em up for $5 and $10 ?!? * Downix/#tunes smiles People just don't know what they have Commodore 128 for $12 * Downix/#tunes even has it on the net Where exactly do you live, dude? New Hampshire I have a ton of PS/2's that I got for $5 for the lot they may be 286's, but they make great dumb terminals 11:50am anyways, this is off topic I have not found many other languages that meet all of my requirements for being a good language to use What kind of programming do you do? They either aren't portable, aren't well documented, or are not fast the only software I make are network daemons Anyway, I shoulda known... in friggin' Brazil, just about everything is expensive. Most of my dev. work is on hardware. pen and paper work then 8) :) I don't care what most people say, 1 mil plus gateways isn't hard to work on ? 12:00pm ok, computers work through what's called gates a modern CPU has millions of gateways for example LOL! See, not even Jesse Berst really likes Windows! http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3943.html A pentium has 1.2 mil, the PowerPG G4 has 150 million Oh, I got it now, I just didn't get the context right out ok For all I knew it could be Gateway PC boxes, or literal gateways (as in carpentry?) hehe eww, Gateway PC's * Downix/#tunes is not happy with the GW company right now -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial841.infolink.com.br]) 12:10pm -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES ([BX] A friend with weed is a friend indeed) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp05.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us644.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial883.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Anyone listening? -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp05.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp05.lvdi.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial883.infolink.com.br]) 03:20pm -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial489.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Again, anyone listening? whys it matter? So do you have any idea as to why IN GOD'S NAME I can't get www.technetcast.com to answer? Netscape returns a 'connection refused' message, and finger just plain crashes my box. It's been going on for over two days now, and everybody else loads it fine. -:- fire [no@209-68-229-51.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hi Kaufmann: i can get it -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[06-102.006.popsite.net]) Hi hcf, I thought you prolly could ;) hey hcf (tis me your BUDDY hickserv) :D 03:30pm -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (dying by hcf's request) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes Kaufmann: dont u have a bespin account? !irq:*! okay, i see this uzi kill a lot, wtf is it? 03:40pm Well, I'm going away now. Bye. -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Jesus would make a good main character for a Seinfeld spinoff" - Amber) 04:00pm :\ 04:20pm me am leave -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (:D) 04:30pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- water [water@tnt-9-61.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[tnt-9-61.tscnet.net]) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- Syntax [dma@02-082.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #tunes -:- fire [no@209-68-229-53.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hey zhivago air: i've worked out my lengua problem how about you and brix? brix is doing good re lengua? fire's language my whacky programming language :D I am caught up in commercial-work lately :| and moving house. Zhivago: yer moving yer HOUSE???? but I did get the op-code annotations in air: yes air: metaphysically speaking 06:20pm hehe some guy came into my english class the other day and was talking to us about the dress code; he was talking about the SMP (sex, money and power) t-shirt and whether kids should be alowed to where them or not...I should have asked "what's so wrong with symetric multiprocessing?" :D and then hope the beatings u will receive later dont kill u or leave any permanent scaring :) D: i invite any of the kids in my english class to try to take me what about the ones packing? methinks i'll have the programmer push whatever objects he wants onto the stack and use mabye the '!' will execute the top stack item ones packing? with guns oh hehehe no this is an intermediatly advanced class they aren't packing anything so? i doubt they are get real, do u know how many smart kids have guns these days? they gotta have protection against the stupid kids that also have guns lmao i doubt that mabye so though :) and even if u have metal detectors in the school they can still bring in plastic guns 06:30pm in my town we pack knives guns kill people too quickly not if u shoot em in the legs and arms still though a knife will kill much more slowly :D i love to watch the indians and mexicans get in fights personally i have my money on the mexicans though one on one i hear the indians aren't bad oh and we also pack brass knuckles so those are worthless a guy in my spanish class was showing me the brass knuckle scars on his face :D i could kill u with my hands before u could stab or punch me personally i prefer no weapons it's cowardess to fight with weapons semi-autos are better better than what? cuz u can shoot someone before they can get near u single shot!? like in indiana jones :) you ever killed anyone before air? ;) well i guess if u know what yer doing a revolver would work as good as a semi sure six shots now if you're packing those shitty saturday night special they're like single shot ya hmm, the majority of fire-fights between unskilled opponents take place within 8 feet of each other and yer chance of hitting someone with one shot is slim no if you're a bad shot yes if you know what your doing one shot is always enough this is the majority of people in gun battles yeah not if yer opponent can move faster than u no, if you aren't getting shot at or hassled and the target it facing the other way and not moving at all, and you have a sight, and an accurate pistol then one shot is always enough i could dodge a round or two but by that token so is a knife :) a gun isn't much more lethal than a sling i should ask my high school if i can teach a lunch time class on how to properly handle a pistol ;) heh the advantage of a gun is that you can fire it fast, and it requires much much less skill unskilled people blast away at each other until someone takes a bullet and probably goes down in shock well i hope i never have to kill somebody 06:40pm likewise "remember class keep both eyes open and use your dominate eye" that why u use a semi and if they get on yer ass before u can kill em, eject the clip and fire ... yes, the advantage of an auto is that it has a much lower skill required for close combat why not just get a fully auto and spray everywhere :D since you can just get enough bullets out there that one is bound to hit fire: that's the spirit :) if u can fire 15-16 rounds with a semi and miss then u deserve to die i love to listen to the people who critique those columbine high school kids and how they could have killed more people they could have usually military types well, its true the kids could have killed many more it is fortunate that they didn't and that their bombs failed they fscked up after that point they seemed to just go ad hoc if they had been systematic about it... well, this is the US for you if i had been there no one would have lived a fundamental lack of respect for human life yes zhivago: how is your schemish language coming? fire: hmm, the lanauge is fine, its the compiler we're building fire: I added register/flag use annotations to all the i386 op-codes the other day my same problem i am a fairly inexperienced c programmer fire: so that I can implicitely generate constraints for the register allocator, and thus treat op-codes like lisp functions more or less i produce an error for every two lines of code :\ fire: C is a bit of a silly langauge fire: takes 5 years or so to master it, if you're also learning to program at the same time yes but it is fast and everyone has a C compiler fire: but after about 10 years it wears out, and at 13 it is blas'e i want it in a standard language C is reasonably fast if you are a decent programmer a language should be implemented in itself otherwise it is a joke language :) like perl :) heh well um heh i can't implement it in it's self yet construct a simplified, yet turing complete version in C, then write it in itself, then strap it up that way reflexion :) i'd like to do it in scheme but i don't know enough scheme yet stanadrd scheme is irritatingly useless oh why is it so important to write a language in it's self? 06:50pm hmm, well, it demonstrates a fundamental level of functionality and more it saves developmenty in two languages :) i see languages which cannot self-implement practically are generally special-purpose scripting languages i hope my language isn't slow :\ like perl well, I assume you're writing a compiler well the language itself can put performance limits on the program the compiler is another story... mabye in health class i'll write up some early source for a simple lengua interpreter in c 07:00pm as for right now i must do my homework :( later zhivago bye air -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) 07:10pm -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from devlin.openprojects.net [07:20pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- Syntax [dma@02-082.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #Tunes -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #Tunes -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #Tunes -:- ServerMode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by irc.linux.com -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (Ping timeout for air[p0wer.qzx.com]) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- td [x@1Cust155.tnt3.wilmington.nc.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes hi hello what brings you to #TUNES? well. i like the OS 'features' i guess.. on the web page just waiting for more.. 08:20pm hi Tril * Syntax/#Tunes thought Tril was a bot heh. i was thinking the same Tril: u came out of yer coma I did? well yer on irc so i assumed u did 08:30pm Tril: does your IP have a host name from your ISP assigned to it? I've got a dynamic host from dyndns.org but it doesn't resolve as such on IRC hmm, some people are just too good to talk to others, I see Syntax: yes 08:40pm it would be hard to have reverse dynamic DNS true Syntax: tril doesnt have a dynamic ip for bespin Tril: did u read about what i did to brix? no something about "it works" in the topic oh well i just had the keyboard driver working so u could type but thats nothing compared to what i did yesterday it now only has a single address space the kernel code has been cut in half it does no parameter checking for syscalls how far away to recompiling a kernel without rebooting? :-) well thats gonna require the language to be written 08:50pm that would be so nice... no more reboots :-) imagine the uptime brix uses a micromicrokernel so u wont need to recompile it very often unless u find a bug so everything that runs for it is module based? -:- liqf451 [matt@a204b210n110client53.hawaii.rr.com] has joined #tunes ya ahh you all are some true hackers why? not that i'm denying that its true... :) I used to leave around seattle 09:00pm leave? cuz of the low level hacking you do them all your sites air or are you actually serven people u[p live/leave liqf451: ? I was just checken out your server - you have some pretty hip sites www.qzx.com? I use to work around pioneer square i dont live in seattle your sites look like their freemont localish oh... thouhgt the ip was your server - never mind then. what ip? ip is probably enslavement of the mind instead of enslavement of the body. 206.191.168.32 where did u get that? rasta.hemp.net 09:10pm * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- liqf451 [matt@a204b210n110client53.hawaii.rr.com] has left #tunes [] -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us731.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.1008 IRC log ended Fri Oct 8 00:00:00 1999