IRC log started Sun Nov 21 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1121 -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- Synic [synic@cx753431-a.santab1.ca.home.com] has joined #tunes -:- Synic [synic@cx753431-a.santab1.ca.home.com] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff rares: #TUNES (Ping timeout for rares[wtrb-sh2-port184.snet.net]) -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- yoo [ultima@user-38lc66d.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #TUnes -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp51.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- yoo [ultima@user-37kba35.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #TUnes * yoo/#TUnes kicks eihrul yoo 10:40am -:- lar1 [lar1@1Cust231.tnt4.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us815.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yoo[user-37kba35.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- yoo_ [ultima@user-38lcn6v.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- yoo_ is now known as yoo -:- Dors [a@server2.dlsemc.com] has joined #tunes -:- FareWell [fare@d100.paris-207.cybercable.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- FareWell [fare@d100.paris-207.cybercable.fr] has left #Tunes [] -:- Dors is now known as waffle -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yoo[user-38lcn6v.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- yoo [ultima@user-37kbaqt.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yoo[user-37kbaqt.dialup.mindspring.com]) abi: XT-CE is a 80186 PC Emulator for Windows CE at http://www.xt-ce.com that's somewhat evi l 12:40pm hey, then you could run elks on it :) abi? waffle? xt-ce? it has been said that xt-ce is a 80186 PC Emulator for Windows CE at http://www.xt-ce.com what is xt-ce? xt-ce is a 80186 PC Emulator for Windows CE at http://www.xt-ce.com what is abi? i heard i was the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or an Artificial Idiot or braindead or a crack addict infoslut or stubborn or gay *chuckle* i'm guessing those last two weren't intentional 12:50pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.175] has joined #tunes Shalom! BLA!!!!!!! 01:40pm -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (A stranger is just an asshole you haven't met yet.) -:- mibin [mibin@62.10.5.85] has joined #tunes -:- mibin [mibin@62.10.5.85] has left #tunes [] -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn181.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn170.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by carter.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: No route to host -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Your client may not be compatible with this server. (from adams.openprojects.net) -:- Compatible clients are available at ftp //ftp.undernet.org/pub/irc/clients(from adams.openprojects.net) -:- Closing Link: TUNES[206.63.100.13] by adams.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[206.63.100.13]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: Interrupted system call -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is devlin.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from devlin.openprojects.net) -:- devlin.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(35)] 6% -:- [global users on irc(250)] 42% -:- [invisible users on irc(346)] 58% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(596)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(32)] (avg. 18 users per server) -:- [total channels created(163)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !devlin.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 62 (58 clients) !devlin.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 2 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#tunes:6)] [ TUNES ] [ smoke_ ] [ air ] [ waffle ] [ eihrul ] [ Fare ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 55.218 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (thrice the last glyph) -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by devlin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from norton.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is norton.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from norton.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT(from norton.openprojects.net) -:- norton.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(5)] 1% -:- [global users on irc(251)] 42% -:- [invisible users on irc(344)] 58% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(595)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(32)] (avg. 18 users per server) -:- [total channels created(167)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !norton.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 23 (22 clients) !norton.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 2 ca 2(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: TUNES -- A free reflective computing environment. Thought and Discussion. Implementation too some day.. -:- topic set by Fufie [Thu Nov 18 10:16:50 1999] -:- [Users(#tunes:5)] [ TUNES ] [ air ] [ waffle ] [ eihrul ] [ Fare ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 3.905 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: Interrupted system call -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is sterling.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 15 12:37 EDT(from sterling.openprojects.net) -:- sterling.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(54)] 9% -:- [global users on irc(254)] 43% -:- [invisible users on irc(337)] 57% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(591)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(32)] (avg. 18 users per server) -:- [total channels created(167)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !sterling.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 91 (82 clients) !sterling.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 2 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: TUNES -- A free reflective computing environment. Thought and Discussion. Implementation too some day.. -:- topic set by Fufie [Thu Nov 18 10:16:57 1999] -:- [Users(#tunes:4)] [ TUNES ] [ air ] [ eihrul ] [ Fare ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Use /Server to connect to a server -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from lewis.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is lewis.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from lewis.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT(from lewis.openprojects.net) -:- lewis.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(2)] 0% -:- [global users on irc(269)] 45% -:- [invisible users on irc(329)] 55% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(598)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(33)] (avg. 18 users per server) -:- [total channels created(163)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !lewis.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 9 (8 clients) !lewis.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 3 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- [Users(#tunes:6)] [ TUNES ] [ lar1 ] [ abi ] [ air ] [ eihrul ] [ Fare ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 7278.531 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh3-port29.snet.net] has joined #tunes hey Hey rares Looks like we are the only ones up... so what's up dudes * rares/#tunes telefrags eihrul 05:50pm -:- SignOff rares: #TUNES (Read error to rares[wtrb-sh3-port29.snet.net]: No route to host) -:- lar1 is now known as lar_away -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh8-port163.snet.net] has joined #tunes now then 06:10pm -:- SignOff lar_away: #TUNES (Read error to lar_away[1Cust84.tnt31.sfo3.da.uu.net]: Connection reset by peer) and trhen there were ... let's see 1.. 2... 3.... 5..umm 4 ... 5,6,7 06:20pm -:- yoo [ultima@user-37kbakq.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #TUnes sup yoo 06:30pm -:- yoo_ [ultima@user-38lc68b.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Ping timeout for yoo[user-37kbakq.dialup.mindspring.com]) so what is up in here 06:40pm heh 07:10pm -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us321.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- mibin [mibin@62.10.6.126] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff yoo_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lar1 [lar1@dialup-209.245.136.186.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes her lar1 abi, seen water? water was last seen on IRC 20 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: good point [Mon Nov 1 11:19:50 1999] good point, abi wow where'd water go hmm i remember to have red the reason in the mailing list wait ahh he just said I will be busy for a few days, but here's a quick note to get your minds working on the arrow idea. he works in the Navy, i believe 20 is a few? hmmm, not really Thats what I thought ;) Who wants to discuss? discuss on what? Anything * rares/#tunes wonders about adding yet another list to his email heh Reflective filesystems... I still don't understand those Heh rares 08:20pm reflective filesystem: water talked about them what filesystems where everything is one thing and one thing is everything Uhhh Water was explaining them to me but never finished i think a filesystem supporting links, translation point, and copy-on-write links can be considered reflective point* points* What are those? which? translation points? Translation points and copy on wirght links translation points are like mount points thought so copy on write but they are managed by user-space programs (which can be other files) like CVS Ah or no copy on write like skeleton files I am unfamilliar with CVS (I know what it is but now how it does what it does :) ) yea CVS implements some sort of copy on write copy on write is implemented to allow different versions of the same files mibin: What do youmean managed by user-space programs? mkdir /mnt/cdrom Ah so rmdir /mnt/cdrom Grokked that is user space program behave like servers of directories and files this is implemented in the Hurd os more like daemons or even more like commands So how does copy-on-write allow different versions of the same files? for example a copy on write link to the root dir would allow the filesystem to 'reflect' itself in a safe way 08:30pm lar1: some versioning system do not really use copy on write I don't understand what copy-on-write does... when you write to a file that has a copy on write bit the older version of the file is copied when the next prerson comes in to change things they change the old one So instead of overwriting is backs up the old copy? i guess i'm just abstracting this from the terminology copy on write :) yea i meant that Ok i never actually had water explain this to me so don't take my word for it Ok, thanks now if I could describe the mechanism by which I figured that out we could get started hmm, i dont remember water mentioned copy on write links get started for what? on the coding of tunes As long as Fare holds us down Tunes will never take off * lar1/#tunes hides all it is is a system capable of resolving contexts and subjects to an infinite depth lar1: as long as you wait for fare to do everything for you, tunes will never take off so tunes isnt really an os lar1: everyone knows fare hasn't done anything, so someone could have easily tried to fill his shoes :) it's a technique heh, i havent done anything for tunes either eihrul: Hmm, you should have heard the long talk I had about that with _ruiner_ and hcf everyone uses it where his talents are matured even without knowing it Am I the only one who can say they are working on tunes? probably i'm trying to use the technique to build the next wave of Linux markets but it's too big 08:40pm * lar1/#tunes gets lightheaded eihrul: You say _could_ have... meaning it can't be done now? Seriously I want to see an Audio Boutique instead of electronics boutique a store that specializes in Linux audio software and even provides lessons Heh... theres no EB over here! :( but no one seems to have the guts to build that market i'm just too undisciplined to pull it off by myself nite folks i gotta go -:- mibin [mibin@62.10.6.126] has left #tunes [] rares: To apply tunes to linux to apply the technique to a migration kit that obviates the need for all these bone headed committees that keep cropping the market = Audio Boutique market i have a question and i'm serious What? Uh oh... :) how hard would it be to write a user space program that can profile all the libraries you have on your system and use that info to create dynamic interfaces from a query like a symbol table spider Hmm Cool idea But I must go for a second -:- lar1 is now known as lar_away it is tunes if you think about it just that the real tunes is the holy grail the most generalized version of what i just said i gues the problem of building tunes id defining the meta tools required to produce all the essences of every tool not yet imagined XML is also tunesy 08:50pm in fact it seems like everyone who is actually interested in the future is working on a tunes vareiant -:- lar_away is now known as lar1 Tunes in its self is not to great I think, a varent it the best way to go err That didn't come out right da plane da plane ? n'm :) I'm giddy trying to decide oin a starting point for my little kit Whats up with this? GTKtrue is a complete and bug free GTK interface to the popular console application /bin/true. that's a joke... an old one :) like GNU Hello where? what? who? why? how? when? eihrul: Ah well, not quite as old as GNU Hello personally, i want QTyes :) :) QYYyes? or maybe ncursesFalse QT even i'm going to write the ancient Salut Mundi 09:00pm -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp182.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes _ruiner_! <_ruiner_> lar! 09:20pm <_ruiner_> hmmmm....I see some of the big talkers are here 09:30pm -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp182.wi.centurytel.net] has left #tunes [] -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh8-port163.snet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (switching to windows) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has left #tunes [] -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh1-port4.snet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us206.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff rares: #TUNES (Ping timeout for rares[wtrb-sh1-port4.snet.net]) -:- rares [rares@wtrb-sh1-port4.snet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff rares: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp51.lvdi.net]) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp51.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.1122 IRC log ended Mon Nov 22 00:00:01 1999