IRC log started Fri Dec 31 00:00:00 1999
<water> anyone know of a fast site where star office can be had?
<water> would freshmeat do?
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<eihrul> not off hand
<water> the download rate just keeps slowing to a trickle
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<Fufie> hmm.. yeltsin has resigned
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<Miellaby> Bonjour
<Miellaby> ist anyone there can tell me if my mIrc work ?
<Miellaby> allo?
<Miellaby> huuuu
* Miellaby/#tunes is really alone
<Miellaby> it musn't work
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<Miellaby> help
<Miellaby> is anybody out there ?
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<garden1> hello?
<abi> it has been said that hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/
<garden1> is anyone hear me ?
<hcf> yep
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<Miellaby> wow, it looks to work !
* Miellaby/#tunes is trying mIrc on Linux
<Miellaby> what're the last news about #tunes ?
<hcf> tunes.org front page has news items
<hcf> nothing much new since those
<Miellaby> ooooo yes
<Miellaby> yu right
06:20am
<Miellaby> I spent a night customind pppd, chat & so one. Please forgive me if I'm not very efficient today.
<Miellaby> allo ?
<Miellaby> ~~
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<hcf> hi
<hcf> oh well
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<Miel> allo ?
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<Miellaby> hello?
<abi> hmmm... hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/
* Miellaby/#tunes doesnt hear anything
<Miellaby> am I becoming mad ?
<hcf> hi
<Miellaby> theres something strange w/ my mIrc client.
06:30am
<Miellaby> abi is a bot dumping info upon keyword matching ?
<Miellaby> hello?
<abi> hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/
<hcf> yes
<Miellaby> wow, this is funny
<Miellaby> hello?
<abi> hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/
<Miellaby> arf arf arf
<Miellaby> sorry ...
<Miellaby> ML?
<abi> ML is a family of functional programming languages. SML and OCAML are two examples
<Miellaby> abi: help
<hcf> basically
<Miellaby> fascinating ... is it learning by itself ?
<Miellaby> hcf: happy new yaer.
<hcf> it "learns" by parsing stuff said, 
<hcf> it learns 'is' and 'are' pairs
<Miellaby> hups
<Miellaby> bye
<Miellaby> bye
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06:40am
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<Downix> Hey, anyone else hear that Amiga is sold again?
10:00am
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<Downix> hey fire, heard the news?
<fire> no
<Downix> Amiga was sold, AGAIN
<fire> D:
<fire> bastards
<Downix> Was sold to Bill McEwan, w/o the patents
10:20am
<fire> who is he?
<Downix> Former Amiga Inc. VP Sales
<fire> is that a good or bad thing?
<Downix> Semi good
<Downix> Gateway kept all of the chips
<Downix> So they got a name and an OS
<fire> so basically gateway got the legs and bill got the arms and they just started pulling? ;)
<Downix> Yup
<fire> too bad
<Downix> Maybe, maybe not
<Downix> My hardware needs an OS and a name
<fire> BuenOS
10:30am
<Downix> Hrm?
<fire> tis the finest OS that WILL grace god's green earth :)
<Downix> Uh huh
* Downix/#tunes has heard that before
<fire> hehehe
<fire> i bet it will be here before TUNES
<Downix> TUNES's goals do not dovetail with mine
<Downix> a cross-executable platform is not what I need
<fire> no kernel?
<Downix> Did not say that
<fire> BuenOS will be no kernel i hope
<Downix> but purposefully abstracting the software so that it'll run anywhere, while a nobile goal, will harm performance
<fire> oh
<fire> like byte code?
<Downix> Right
<fire> bah
<fire> i don't think cpus are fast enough to be ready for it yet
<Downix> I think CPU's are not the key to performance
<fire> as in the amiga?
<Downix> As in any platform
<Downix> a CPU w/o a fast enough I/O is crippled
<Downix> Hi-Torro realized this when they made Amiga
<fire> i mean specialized processors
<Downix> Yes, as in that
<Downix> specialized processors for I/O and other necessary work will make any CPU seem faster, just because of the reduced latency
10:40am
<Downix> Anyways
<Downix> My company just got an option to use Alpha over MIPS
<fire> excellent :)
<Downix> Which would not take any time to instigate a change, they are similar enough as/is
<Downix> Of course being Alpha we'd get a HUGE speed benefit
10:50am
<Downix> But we'd loose some of our cross-platform benefit
<Downix> However, i OWN an Alpha to develop with already
<Downix> hehe
<fire> ...
<Downix> But let's see how hard it is to licence Alpha
<fire> uh oh
<Downix> Well, since Compaq's no longer in control of Alpha, I may be able to
11:00am
<Downix> Let's see how licencing goes
<Downix> With MIPS it's a pain
<fire> let's hope alpha is easier
<Downix> me too
<fire> so i can profit from  your ideas ;)
<Downix> hehe, yup
<Downix> Emailing an inquiry now
11:10am
<Downix> hmm
<Downix> Can't find an address to mail them
<fire> call em
<Downix> On the 31st of December?
<fire> i see
<Downix> I'll try on monday
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<Downix> Hey phoe
<phoe> hiya m8
<Downix> Welcome to where I talk about Eddas the most
<phoe> and who`s eddas ?
<Downix> Eddas is the chipset's code-name
<phoe> ahh
<Downix> So Phoe, welcome to the tunes project
<phoe> wouldn`t it be faster to adopt a `working` os with gui at this stage ?
<Downix> No
<phoe> although I realise that could cause probs with some things
<Downix> Well, faster development, but not faster OS
<phoe> that`s kinda what I was aiming towards... at least keeping it `in house` you can customise the way it`s orientated, dir structure etc
* Downix/#tunes nods
<Downix> Actually we're out-sourcing for the OS
<phoe> and if the gui system is simple and relatively open ended, it could be customised easily
<phoe> a la Amiga
<Downix> since the OS we're planning on is being developed by core (his nick on here) for his company
<Downix> He says it will be Amiga-like
<phoe> are you using any sort of basis for the dir structure ?
<Downix> the core OS is already Amiga-like
<phoe> ie. the best and most simple to manage i`ve ever seen is the... Amiga...
<Downix> Right now we're using FAT, but that's due to it's simplicity in implimenting
<Downix> We'll make a better file structure in time
<phoe> the actual IO processes can be altered probably very easily
* Downix/#tunes nods
<phoe> I mean the actual `layout` for storing the files used by the OS
<Downix> BTW, anything you say here is logged
<phoe> should I be worried yet ? ;-)
<Downix> Well, the file system used is to be a plug-in library anyways
<Downix> Nah
<Downix> Right now I'm testing Clementine on my PC tho
<Downix> it's primitive, but a lot of potential
<phoe> the mig uses what are essentially a collection of replaceable libs, and it makes it very easy to update, allowing backwards compatibility and future development
<Downix> But I have other options, people keep pitching OS ideas at me
* Downix/#tunes nods, exactly
* phoe/#tunes isn`t keen on the idea that a lib under unix can clash with an older lib used by other progs you may need
* Downix/#tunes is not either
<Downix> Clementine is Amiga-like in many ways I've found through testing it
11:50am
<phoe> at the end of the day, simplicity is usually more elegant and updatable long-term, as well as often being more efficient
* Downix/#tunes nods
<Downix> Which is the point behind my hardware
<phoe> Downix: guess i`d better start learning C huh :-}
<Downix> Nah
<Downix> I'm designing the simulator in LISP I decided
<Downix> Easier to program than C
<phoe> what are the odds of the coder giving up on the project leaving it high and dry ? ie. if work commitments get in the way
<Downix> Quite likelyt
<phoe> that`s another area I can envisage problems
<Downix> Oh, you ment in Clementine
<phoe> yeah clem...
<Downix> No, his company is making it, he will not
<phoe> ahhhh
<phoe> who`s he work for ?
<Downix> suntech
<Downix> http://www.suntech.fr
<phoe> doh a frenchie
<phoe> we english hate the french...
<Downix> Why?
<phoe> they blockade ports
<phoe> set fire to trucks
<Downix> uh, ok
<Downix> he just codes an OS
<phoe> i`ll let him off them
<phoe> then
<Downix> lol
<Downix> BTW, if JokerD dead?
<Downix> is I mean
<phoe> I think so yeah
<phoe> I never did backup his website...
<phoe> someone else did tho I think
<Downix> ok
<Downix> Oh well
<Downix> Right now I'm pondering the I/O system
<Downix> I finally finished sound
<phoe> how are you going to work it ? external add ons, or internal handling ?
<Downix> both
<Downix> USB and Firewire internally
<Downix> with a local bus slot (very primitive one) to expand it externally
12:00pm
<phoe> so how is it going to work ?  onboard cpu to handle basic, say 16 bit sound, external for anything more ?
<Downix> Plus expantion off of the major sections of the chipset (audio/video) for other purposes
<phoe> what are you looking at now for the video side of things ?
<Downix> onboard CPU, 24-bit sound, 48-bit video output, basic 3D system
<Downix> 48-bit input/output for video
<phoe> based on existing video hardware, or developing new h/w ?
<Downix> New h/w
<phoe> I know you were looking (under linux) to do 1920*whatever and emulate "downwards" in s/ware
<Downix> We've made a much more elegant idea now
<Downix> variable screen sizes controlled through software
<phoe> well m8, if I win a million in the lottery tonight, you`ve got some funding :-)
<Downix> hehe, sure
<Downix> We shifted a lot of things off of the internal chipset to an external ASIC
<Downix> like the D to A conversion for the audio
<phoe> right, it`s getting late(ish) here now, and me and the missus promised to spend some time together
<Downix> Alright, see you around
<phoe> so i`m best heading off for a bit
* Downix/#tunes waves
<phoe> happy new year :-)
<Downix> you too
<fire> bye :D
<phoe> see you in the next millenium I guess (assuming you count this year, and not next as the start of it...)
* Downix/#tunes nods
<phoe> cyaaaaaaa !
<Downix> ok
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12:10pm
<fire> in like two hours fufie will be in y2k
12:20pm
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<Downix> eihrul, can you help me?
* fire/#tunes bows to the insane one
12:30pm
<eihrul> Downix: with?
<Downix> eihrul:  I found out that Compaq's given control of the Alpha CPU to another company, for licencing et all, can't find out what that companies name is
<Downix> Alpha would be a good replacement for MIPS in my system design, possibly
* eihrul/#tunes seems to remember something weird like alpha, inc.
<Downix> I found an Alpha Processor, Inc
<Downix> but that seems to be producing chips and mobo's
<Downix> I emailed them anyways, to ask
<Downix> http://www.alpha-processor.com
<Downix> Ok, I got the lowdown
<Downix> they sell chips
<Downix> not the design
<Downix> dammit
* Downix/#tunes was hopeful
<Downix> MIPS is a pain to licence
12:40pm
<Downix> Ahh well, it's what we can do
<Downix> Unless a better solution shows up, MIPS is the best
* Downix/#tunes was hopeful for a better solution
<Downix> I always am
12:50pm
<Downix> Whoah, I'm a score 2 on /. now!
<Downix> go me!
<eihrul> 2 isn't saying much
<Downix> Well, better than my 1 before
<Downix> I'm "interesting"
<eihrul> you have to annoy a moderator for making an intelligent post and get moderated down to 0
<eihrul> s/for/by
<Downix> why?
* eihrul/#tunes shrugs.
* Downix/#tunes can't believe that he is "insightful"
<Downix> read my comment?
<eihrul> are you?
<Downix> Yes, but first time they used that word for me on /.
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<Downix> I commented in the one about Amiga
01:10pm
<Downix> hmm
<Downix> AQUA.......
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<Kaufmann> Shalom!
<Kaufmann> 7:55 PM here
02:00pm
<smkl> y2k here
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<air> can anyone tell me howto use awk or something else to get the first word of the last line in an output
02:50pm
<air> i know howto use awk to get the word from a line but not the last line
<air> nm
03:00pm
<Fufie> how disappointing.. no loss of power.. no war.. no accidental nuclear missiles.. ahh.. better get back to the party.. y2k is disappointing so far..
<air> haha
<Fufie> hype.. pure hype
<Fufie> ok.. 2038 next then.. 
<air> thatll be the good one
<air> i think the unix world should not fix it and let the internet crash 
03:30pm
<Fufie> that'll ruin your chance to sit on irc and say "what'd I say"... :p
<air> heh
<Fufie> happy new year :)
<air> i still have 21 hours before y2k here
03:40pm
* eihrul/#tunes hmms.
<smkl> NOW!!!!
04:00pm
<eihrul> what is now?
<eihrul> abi: now?
<abi> eihrul: bugger all, i dunno
<smkl> damn .. the end of the world didn't come
* eihrul/#tunes ponders.
* Fufie/#tunes is disappointed with y2k and the party
<eihrul> you went to a party? :P
* eihrul/#tunes is going to spend midnight reading the rest of "On Lisp."
<Fufie> I am at a party, but I have geeked out, and logged on my machine at home which has irc screened ;)
<Fufie> btw: how do we write dates now?  1/1/00?
<Fufie> looks weird
<eihrul> 1/1/100?
<abi> 0.01
<eihrul> we might as well start the calendar from 1900...
<Fufie> eih: yes.. I like that one
<Fufie> I am used to that system
<eihrul> or you can do like abi
<eihrul> and write 0.01
<Fufie> abi: 1/1/00?
<abi> division by zero
<Fufie> :)
<Fufie> oh well.. someone else want the computer to read newspapers.. bbl.. 
<air> eihrul: u suck, i have to goto a party
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<fire> happy new year fufie, fare and smkl
04:10pm
<air> fire: are u staying home or going to a party?
<fire> staying home :)
<air> u suck too
<fire> yes i do
<fire> uh
<fire> what are you doing in salt lake?
<air> gonna go blow up a power plant
<fire> good for you
<air> well im being drug out now so i gotta go
<air> cya next year
<fire> ok
<fire> don't do anything i wouldn't do
<fire> :D
<fire> have fun
04:20pm
<eihrul> air: haha, get out of the party then
<fire> #tunes is a party ;)
* fire/#tunes breaks out the cyber booze
<eihrul> make sure its reflective cyber booze
04:30pm
<eihrul> gah, vi is so annoying
<eihrul> why have people not taken to vim yet?
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<fire> damnit
04:50pm
<Fufie> back
<fire> happy new yar fufie
<Fufie> happy new year fire :)
<fire> it's what 1 in norwey?
<Fufie> en
<Fufie> ehh.. it's 2am
<fire> it isn't 2000 yet here
<fire> 7 hours to go
<Fufie> 2000 is disappointing anyway..
<Fufie> no war, no power-failure, no fun..
<smkl> hopefully the US will screw up badly
05:00pm
<Fufie> yeah.. it's all up to the US now
<smkl> www.eff.org was hax0red ... did you see that?
<Fufie> read it on the register.. was fixed when I checked
* eihrul/#tunes finds editing in vi over telnet over a lagged connection profusely annoying.
<fire> i think some scandinavians were responsible ;)
<Fufie> scandinavians like EFF.. it was probably NSA or the DVD-guys
<Fufie> augh.. noone killed in Oslo either.. though the emergency-stations are filled with people hit by fireworks
<fire> hehehe
<Fufie> it will be a dull millenium.. I know it
<fire> it would suck to die today
<Fufie> if you were to choose a date, I am sure such a symbolic day would be nice
<fire> true 
05:10pm
* Fufie/#tunes yawns
<Fufie> only country that seems t have problems is Gambia
<Fufie> they say:
<Fufie> Work is progressing
<Fufie>                                                                                       but HELP WILL BE APPRECIATED FROM GAMBIANS ABROAD
<Fufie>                                                                                       AND other interested agencies in procuring the needed hardware and
<Fufie>                                                                                       software and meeting the cost of installation.
<Fufie> a bit late to start y2k work maybe.. 
<Fufie> http://europa.eu.int/iy2kcc/country/GAMBIA.html
05:20pm
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<eihrul> hmmm
* eihrul/#tunes needs a way for caching certain values in a weighted tree, where at each node its value is the sum of all the children's values multiplied by their respective weight, divided by the sum of all their weights.
<eihrul> but i need a way to some how mark all the parent nodes of a given node as dirty so they can be recalculated later (the nodes are random access)
<eihrul> since going back up the tree recalculating values is very expensive
06:00pm
<fire> im leaving now
<fire> happy new year all
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<yoo> muahaha
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<hcf> ho hum
08:10pm
<hcf> abi: FME is Formal Methods Europe at http://www.csr.ncl.ac.uk/projects/FME/
09:00pm
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<Downix> mm
09:10pm
<hcf> hoy Downix
<Downix> hoy hcf
<hcf> sup?
<Downix> I'm alive and it's 2000
<air> hcf: do u live in ME?
<hcf> air: yep
<Downix> hcf is in Maine
<air> hcf: was there an explosion?
* Downix/#tunes can even tell you where his ISP is located
<hcf> yep, the entire state is gone, blown to bits
<Downix> air:  The explosion was in New Hampshire, almost.  The cops diffused the bomb a few hours ago
<air> <meque> Rumors of an explosion in Kennebunkport, ME.
* Downix/#tunes is serious
<air> <meque> It's gone over the police scanner
<Downix> air:  Wow, I hope they got the Bush estate!
<hcf> anyone notice the downages of .de sites?
<Downix> hcf:  Several
* Downix/#tunes gets out his glasses to look for flying flaming Bush family members
<Downix> Oh man, an .lu site I go to died
<air> lu?
<Downix> I have no idea what country that it
<Downix> is
<hcf> luxembourg
09:20pm
<hcf> has there been any news for shit happening?
<Downix> alright
<hcf> s/for/of/
<Downix> Nope
<Downix> the news agency I was going to check on for it is the site that died
<Downix> hehe
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<Downix> Hey Al!
<Downix> Welcome to post-the-end-of-the-world
<AlonzoTG> Everybody still alive in here ;)
<Downix> No, we're ghosts
<AlonzoTG> aaah...
<AlonzoTG> well I must be the dark angel.
<Downix> I tell you, if Heaven does not have the internet, I'm not going
<Downix> 8)
<AlonzoTG> me neither.
<AlonzoTG> It looks like a branch of my world domination plans will get underweigh soon.
<AlonzoTG> I also might get a new printer in a few days...
<Downix> lol
<Downix> ok, cool
<AlonzoTG> then I'll take a good whack at specifying that blasted spec...
<AlonzoTG> Hmm the milloonium will hit StLouis next.
<Downix> alright
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<Downix> Geesh!
<Downix> What spec?
<Downix> According to his mailing list for SphereOS, he's been trying to make it for a year
<Downix> Hell, I see Tunes getting done faster than his OS
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<AlonzoTG> yeah...
<AlonzoTG> reeeaaaaallllllyyyyy tired now.
<AlonzoTG> I feel sorry for Peter jennings...
<AlonzoTG> he's on a caffine IV at the moment.
<Downix> hehehe
<AlonzoTG> I just turned 22 today
<AlonzoTG> I finally got Led Zeppelin's CODA
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<water> wow. people besides me are actuall on
<hcf> and idle
<water> yes
<water> i'm actually using windows right ow
<hcf> sup?
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<water> my modem won't behave when i upgraded my installation
<water> rh5.1->mandrake6.5
* water/#tunes ducks
<water> whew! no flames yet :)
<eihrul> you'd only be flamed if you had done the inverse
<water> heh
<water> it just seems weird that a us robotics modem would stop working right because of an *upgrade*
<water> everything else carried over fine
* eihrul/#tunes ponders.
<eihrul> <- us robotics
<air> eh?
<eihrul> missing drivers in default kernel?
<water> maybe
<water> darn it, windows really sucks
<water> i can't even mount ext2 :)
<air> what drivers?
<abi> drivers are fun!!!
<air> the kernel has no modem drivers
<water> heh
<water> that might explain it
<air> i think that mandrake just isnt as easy to setup ppp as it is with rh
<water> well, the kde setup looked pretty damned easy
<hcf> abi: forget drivers
<abi> hcf, I didn't have anything matching drivers
<water> hcf: :P
<water> :)
<water> but kde's hardware info section is completely unimplemented
<air> hmm i killed 4 netscape windows and my ram usage jumped up by a meg
<water> so i had been poking around /dev without much of a clue
<water> heh
<air> just get dcon and u will be on hte net in no time
<water> dcon?
<water> thx
<water> what's it do exactly?
<air> u just run it and it will ask questions about yer isp and generate a script for u
<water> ok
<air> it is the only script i have ever gotten to work
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<water> i think that i have that configured right, though
<water> but thanks anyway
<air> did u try minicom?
<water> hmm. so how would i force linux to load the modem driver properly?
<water> no
<air> there is no modem driver, only serial drivers
<water> well, it's an internal modem
<air> run minicom and see if it can talk to yer modem
<air> what com port is it on?
<water> er...
<water> com1
<air> ps/2 mouse?
<water> no, that can't be right
<water> it doesn't make sense fo rthat to be the problem, because i didn't reconfigure the modem
<air> do u know how serial ports are labeled in linux?
<water> cua0-4
<air> k
<air> 3
<air> not 4
<water> ok
<air> unless u really do have 5 serial ports :)
* water/#tunes slaps himself for forgetting how to shift from base-1 to base-0
<water> now that that's clear :)
<water> i have to admit that KDE wow'ed me, btw
<air> well setup minicom so its using whatever serial port yer modem is on and see if it inits the modem
<air> them try giving it at commands
<water> hmm
<water> maybe i should have tried cua2
<water> well, thanks air
<water> bbiaf
<air> cya
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