IRC log started Thu Feb 24 00:00:02 2000 [msg(modtunes)] permlog 2000.0224.mod -:- water [water@tnt-9-10.tscnet.net] has joined #modtunes -:- mode/#modtunes [+o water] by ChanServ -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us208.javanet.com] has joined #modtunes -:- mode/#modtunes [+o hcf] by ChanServ he never helps me or anyone else is anything more we could do for slate/tunes besides what we're already doing? well if i can resolve the rest of the issues, then i can present them to the mlist with demo lisp code and turn over implementation to them they can't handle design at all, but they can grok a language spec otoh, maybe you're considering different aspects are you? still having difficulties w/ ur .st prototype? i haven't worked with it lately, because i've been focusing on getting the ambiguities in the spec resolved 12:50am but it addresses the basic stuff that eval.lisp currently does yes, time better spent tunes@ will prefer the .lisp anyway, right? yes they will actually, they'd prefer c (by majority rule), the clods a shot in the dark, but.. perhaps ppl from the mlist (perhaps usenet) would be more apt to discuss/help w/ specific issues comp.object, comp.logic, comp.lang.lisp ? of course, i suppose, this wouldnt happen until the prototype is ready right i forgot comp.lang.misc comp.lang.functional ok these would be sources of ppl and areas where things could be discussed but i was also thinking of stuff like python's sigs ( http://www.python.org/sigs/ ) 01:00am hm interesting tho, we shouldnt be too quick to splinter slate culture into a collection of private lists tho squeak doesn't factor its development like that (not formally) although interestingly the sig's mirror a lot of current squeak issues is trying to use slate@ for issue discussion right now pointless? i think so or even tunes@ well, forget i asked, fufie basically echos tunes@'s pov 01:10am heh, tunes mlist will just result in lots of replies on how each person would implement the same feature or issue in (substitute language paradigm of choice here) so we trudge on w/ issue resolution and prototyping we work in the shadows, we do what we plan, we document what we can, our goal is our passion, and our passion is our only task, the rest is the sanity of tao. i don't really feel very noble, having to cut off conversations with people 01:20am where did you come up with that quote from? most of the time i feel justified in seeing myself as an obsessed loser We work in the dark, We do what we can, We give what we have, Our doubt is our passion, and our passion is our task, The rest is the madness of art. -- Henry James oh 01:30am hm self's refactoring methods (the simple ones) apply to all three slate hierarchies if the slate object-state-as-construction-stream metaphor is used, then slate has a larger set of simple refactoring methods i must find a better word for that metaphor well, good night -:- water [water@tnt-9-10.tscnet.net] has left #modtunes [] 01:40am -:- SignOff hcf: #modtunes (Leaving) -:- Closing Link: modtunes[bespin.dhs.org] by asprin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for modtunes[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.ca.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.ca.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network modtunes -:- Your host is asprin.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 12 02:19 EDT -:- asprin.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(3)] 0% -:- [global users on irc(291)] 43% -:- [invisible users on irc(392)] 57% -:- [ircops on irc(10)] 1% -:- [total users on irc(683)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(27)] (avg. 25 users per server) -:- [total channels created(252)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !asprin.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 8 (7 clients) !asprin.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 4 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user modtunes -:- Mode change [+iws] for user modtunes -:- JOIN activated by "modtunes #modtunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- modtunes [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #modtunes -:- [Users(#modtunes:1)] [@modtunes ] -ChanServ(s@ChanServ)- This channel has been registered with ChanServ. -:- mode/#modtunes [-o modtunes] by ChanServ -:- Channel #modtunes was created at Thu Feb 24 03:10:45 2000 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #modtunes was synced in 6.672 secs!! -:- Mode change [-ws] for user modtunes [msg(modtunes)] newlog 2000.0225.mod IRC log ended Fri Feb 25 00:00:03 2000