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You are on 2 ca 1(2) ft 14(14). -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@206.63.100.13 " -:- TUNES [tunes@206.63.100.13] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: TUNES, Free Reflective Computing System: http://www.tunes.org/ || Slate Language: http://www.tunes.org/~water/slate-home.html -:- topic set by water [Tue Apr 11 21:00:40 2000] -:- [Users(#tunes:7)] [ TUNES ] [ coreyr ] [ nate37 ] [ XeF4 ] [ Kyle_L ] [ yinzen ] [ smkl ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.825 secs!! -:- Mode change [-ws] for user TUNES -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff nate37: #TUNES (nate37 has no reason) -:- nate37 [nate@ppp-207-151-70-150.dialup.pcmagic.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff nate37: #TUNES (nate37 has no reason) -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (off) -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- XeF4 [xef4@194.255.106.103] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[15dyn124.delft.casema.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-137-167.s421.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (off) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- SignOff Kyle_L: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff coreyr: #TUNES (BitchX: don't leave home without it!) -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- washort [washort@d124.narrowgate.net] has joined #tunes -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-247-242.s242.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-9-177.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hi all 10:40am hm squeak runs on PS2 now they got that to work? nifty. they can't distribute it yet afaik, though oh, right, that was the difficult part. :) 11:00am hm apparently the majority of the work to port squeak took only a few days * water/#tunes plays with the new squeak PIM -:- SignOff washort: #TUNES (Ping timeout for washort[d124.narrowgate.net]) -:- washort [washort@d124.narrowgate.net] has joined #tunes re -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) 11:10am -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-131-252.s252.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- smoke_ [smoke@15dyn124.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us127.javanet.com] has joined #tunes abi: AtheOS is at http://atheos.funcom.com/ hey hcf hey i'm a bit frazzled today. i tried to work out some more details of how to use slate and what it can do easily, but i think this VB-programming is getting to me ow visual basic... ugh. i'm sorry, man :) yeah well it's better than the regular work i do heh. true, it could be worse anyway, i'm trying to figure out the best way to develop and organize a slate environment -:- Ghyll [karltk@msx-osl-13-35.ppp.cybercity.no] has joined #tunes hi ghyll hi water unfortunately, i keep getting this lack of concentration lately that's not uncommon. ghyll: in what context? that the will to work on a particular project is significantly reduced. 02:00pm well do you have any suggestions? I usually try to put myself in a spot where it's absolutely impossible to work on any computer related project, such as taking a trip to our country house. After a few days there, my brain seems to fill up with crazy ideas a new insights, and I itch to get back to the project. But that's me. hm well i do have a lot of vacation time next month Bringing some relevant literature seems to increase the urge to get back. In my case, such lack of concentration usually stems from the fact that I 'have to' do something. Then it becomes a chore. well most of the "relevant lit" relted to slate i have either read 5 times or is electronic find something less relevant, perhaps even something easily digestible. heh i "have to" work on slate because few/no one else will :) and you might suffer from the feeling that you're pulling the cart all alone. that is also sometimes a contributing factor to this 'light burnout'. i've been trying to digest this thread in squeak on sandboxes for side-effects-protection lately * water/#tunes nods vigorously that, and the fact that you can't really draw code or specific design from other projects.... because it's all new :) it might help if i actually knew someone whom i could talk to in real time (face-to-face) about this stuff yes, I find that that helps immensly. i haven't had that in 4 years irc is a horrible medium for brainstorming, really. better than mail, tho. hm what's new with you, ghyll? I've still not managed to get out of bed before the hair-dresser(or whatever) closes.. but that's really nothing new. Joking aside. I've been adding the C++ front-end to SDS, and I've been working on Open3DFormat, and now I'm parsing 3DS MAX ASE files for a small multimedia project. ok nothing revolutionising. just a lot of (im)practical grunt-work. right, understandible otoh, I got a new job, if I want it. make a system for speculating/predicting stocks. okay pay. 02:10pm what company? a small local isp company (ie, a few friends). they were lucky and bumped into a few millionaires who had to get rid of some money. what a wierd decade this will be we said 'ok. no guarantees, but if you pay us, we'll make an honest shot at it'. you're right there. some people have money coming out of their ass. and it's all there for the picking. I figure I need some money to finish my M.Sc eventually.. i just like articles about there being no market bubble to burst followed by a rapid drop in the stock index -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-203-72-221.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes heh. * Ghyll/#tunes finds the entire economic situation totally laughable. well, when you're running on fiat currency, the whole thing's at the mercy of the Federal Reserve.... but as long as there's a lot of money flying around, why not grab a bit for yourself. Ghyll: of course. :) anyway anyone here have forth experience? no. just looked at the language. it's on my 'top 10 languages to learn this year'-list. hm there are 17 different oo extensions to forth forth does weird things to people wash: such as? i was interested in forth at one point, but lost almost all interest when i realized that it had no useful standard library and that forth people were more interested in rewriting their forth environments than developing large-scale useful stuff that, and the fact that it's not memory-safe ok i think it's a useful competitor to C for low-level stuff. well i'm against any language where you need a standard lib to do any large-scale work but not for a high-level applications programming language wash: you *can* bind forth words to an api set, you know water: hm. i've yet to see a language that could get away with not needing one washort: brainfuck and intercal ? nice try Ghyll: i said useful. :) water: yeah. i'd imagine forth could be useful as an HLL if more forthers wanted it to be. they don't, AFAICT. washort: (in a pythonesque tone) ooooh. wash: are you on the mlist, btw, for tunes? no wash: there's a language called joy, that's high-level and based on forth ideas 02:20pm abi: joy hmmm... joy is at http://www.latrobe.edu.au/www/philosophy/phimvt/j00syn.html or a forth like functional programming language hmm its based on combinator theory, and would only serve tunes as a LLL anyway, i was thinking that coding a slate based on a small forth environment would be quite easy, and would yield credibility to the idea of "tunes in low resources environments" hmm, interesting i still have to finish up the "slate as tunes hll" argument however in order to get action from the tunes group or maybe "slate vs scheme as tunes hll" would be more appropriate aw, not common lisp? ;) heh scheme is too small ;) too small? well, it's small compared to CL. yeah anyway 02:30pm good, i finally got a gif of a modality symbol water: remember you must pay for using gifs in the us. no, just LZW-compressed GIFs. :) washort: who'd want to use non-compressed gifs ? -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) well anyway the reason i don't like stdlib's as they are today is that (1) unless you can explore them (as in squeak), they're just wasted because they can't be used to teach the language and (2) if they're non-trivial in size, then something's wrong with the language -:- bineng [Anders@j141.ryd.student.liu.se] has joined #tunes there's also (3) they make code brittle if they're needed bin! ah, greetings I just popped in for a quick lisp q, actually. bin: where's beh lately? (yes i like you too) :) oh 02:40pm He just doesn't show up in here a lot, I guess. I see him online otherwise. ok -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp205.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes so what's the question? g'afternoon hey eih -:- SignOff washort: #TUNES (Ping timeout for washort[d124.narrowgate.net]) Yes.. I want the follow to work: (defun f () (let ((x 42)) (eval 'x))) -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-203-72-221.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes hi eihrul, lar1 Hi :) eih: care to field that q? (eval 'x) goes for the global variable, it seems bineng: afaik, it doesn't bineng: (eval) always assumed a top-level context hrm.. so is there any other way to do it? s/assumed/assumres well, what are you specifically trying to do this for? grr, s/assumres/assumes Just playing around; I'm trying to create a function that when invoked redefines itself while keeping the same structure so it can do the same thing again. use closures and use function-valued-variables should be obvious where to go from there :) and the latter is what? well, rmm, could you be a bit more specific wrt 'redefine' :) and 'while keeping the same structure' yes. redefine: evaluating a defun. keeping the structure: so the same thing can be done over and over again (the function does not degrade) I think I have it nailed, apart from the eval of local scope oh, a quine! um yeah, I guess. well, go to the quine pages and see how they do it :0 er :) abi: quines? eihrul: i don't know abi: quine? rumour has it quine is at http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/quine.htm or a program that outputs its entire source code i don't think that's what he's after nope but it is largely the same effect 02:50pm only different is instead of printing itself, you're just evaluating itself well anyway and there isn't any fundamental difference if you want to change the function a tiny bit? I wanted to do this for the function to keep a state, by this odd method of redefining itself well, then have a representation of the code as a quoted list and as the immediate list itself then just change the part of the list holding the state and evaluate it lemme see.. * water/#tunes sighs wut? :) water: you asked me to field the q... yeah well i thought it would either be simple or you would do me the favor of taking it somewhere else well, it is answered now bin: what's tpp up to lately? water: ah it's kinda dying. Have been for a long time. so what are you and beh up to? 03:00pm beh isn't up to anything particular AFAIK. Me neither, actually. School. grrr I don't like it, but that's the way things have shaped * water/#tunes makes a vile remark under his breath about tunes members tis easy to say being that one is not in school... well remind me why i dropped out, will you? I can't really blame school.. I don't think Beh can blame anything particular either i'll decline blame yourselves I *could* do that, but I'd rather not :) are you still here to talk about tunes? oh that's right, you're never here to talk about tunes what's that supposed to imply? 03:10pm -:- SignOff bineng: #TUNES (leaving more confused than when I entered <k!14>) -:- SignOff Ghyll: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Ghyll[msx-osl-13-35.ppp.cybercity.no]) -:- washort [washort@d128.narrowgate.net] has joined #tunes water: so... slate-agenda-of-the-day? well, i'm reading some things right now this VB-programming stuff has my thoughts all scattered and unwilling to cooperate * eihrul/#tunes is just musing over reference behavior. as in how to get it's meta-behavior defined correctly? well, more as in analyses so that they can be optimized away completely ok 03:30pm water: one of the nice things about having a dynamic compilation system where the source to all pieces of code in the system is you can do signifigantly more detailed analyses without having silly requirements like presenting the whole system to the compiler at once :) s/system is you/system is available/ comparing slate to ...? well, just static compilation in general not a benefit unique to slate, but one that is present yeah that's definitely true it also allows you to do more flexible analysis of side effects in the system which is probably the most important benefit hm how are you thinking of analysis of side-effects? in a static compiler, you have to assume the worst... a black box like a function without a representation presented to the compiler can change anything in the system water: well, just noting on call trees the cumulative side effects and such ok water: also... i think using a more abstract 'expression' object versus a sequence of conses could be beneficial as well (re: representation of expressions) like what? for what purposes? 03:40pm are you suggesting an oo parsse tree, then? well, to allow more information to be stored in the tree what do you have in mind? well, so the compiler doesn't have to translate between its semantic trees and expressions :) hm (allowing for annotations and other meta-information to be stored in the tree as well) why do you think this is necessary? any specific examples? well, for transformations on the tree as well as saving information the compiler has already gathered about the tree (from previous analysis like type feedback, etc) hm ok this could work (from the language perspective i mean) it is what pliant uses :) ok 03:50pm what do you think of implementing a persistent store for slate using its own object orgianization as a fs? *i* like it. ;) well, that's an area i'm not too familiar with i suppose i could scrounge up some papers and books on that :) hm there are some ppl doing it already, IIRC where? for what language? look on dmoz under "orthogonal persistence" that's not a category hmmm it was there yesterday, i'm sure of it :) * washort/#tunes looks the only thing there that i haven't already looked at is "persistent modula-3" and i doubt that it's the same idea as what i suggest eih: well what about just some ordinary file store for slate object systems? oh. "orthogonally persisten" t n/m i found the category yeah i know about this stuff water: well, i like the idea of orthogonal persistence better :) eih: let's get the easier option implemented first, though 04:00pm btw, i'm putting together a set of fundamental ideas for grokking slate in order to build a tutorial it's not easy, since the meta-boject system determines what paradigm you're working in s/boject/object/ which seems to confuse a lot of people. does anyone here have thoughts on this or suggestions on how to explain? heh washort: btw, how much do you know of slate? start with the assumption that the reader understands the concept of metaobjects, and explain what they can do first :) water: almost none checked out the site? water: yes hcf: are there any good url's for mo explanations? * water/#tunes does a little googling well, i've never come across any 04:10pm water: what i meant was, if I understand smalltalk or CLOS-style metaobjects, you should be able to explain slate-style metaobjects, right? and from there you can explain the possibilities of the system, i guess yes, although slate's mo's are a bit different water: that's my point water: explain how they're different hm well in slate, mo's encapsulate the idea of meta-behavior as opposed to the behavior that defines what the object is -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (zmoke) they do this by actually implementing the object's slots and there's a two-phase system for this, where the mo can play with the "lookup" and "apply" phases of passing messages -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (z!) does that make sense so far? hmm of course, each object only has one mo but it's a slot, so you can dynamically swap meta-behavior thoughts? comments? questions? ugh i'm confused --- hm i wasn't expecting a grunt :) explain the difference between "meta-behavior" and "behavior that defines what an object is" ah well an object in slate is a set of slots that defines its behavior even state in slate is just a kind of behavior mmkay. so this is not the same as slots in slate or self? err s/slate/CLOS/ well, self is close to slate, but it is stateful by default slate does not have this as a default, though you can get it with customized mo's the only meaning i can attach to "slot" is "named pointer to another object" i'm suspecting that's not what you mean that IS what i mean :) mmkay :) although i think of it with meta-behavior added in define meta-behavior :) so that it's not a low-level or static idea 04:20pm well the mo can handle the activation of slots in its own ways meta-behavior defines how behavior is invoked, pretty much for instance, the mo might copy an object and talk to *it* rather than the original object mmkay yeah oic. it controls slot reads and writes.... ok also what it means to apply what a slot contains well that's just an example but you can do a *lot* with that kind of customization eihrul: ah, right water: yeah, i begin to see hm i think i can build a tutorial around this conversation i'm getting the feeling we've had this conversation before really? dang deja vu, messing with my head water: we probably didn't i didn't think so still feels that way. bleh. well does this explain slate well enough for you? mmm, it helps a lot well you can look at my recent tunes mlist posts for more stuff on slate ok, (via the web interface) think i'll do that :) so will i. it's time i reviewed what i've written http://lists.tunes.org/list/tunes/0003/msg00053.html that has notes on my ideas for the literal (math/text/logic/etc) system under slate oh cool, my new sig doesn't render properly when converted to html :) oh n/m i was just using an odd font without that character 04:30pm welp, going to go do other things for the evening, ciao -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) hm wash: do you have any comments or questions? 04:40pm . hey yin hello, testing to see if my loggin is working .. getting ready to go out to dinner =) btw, yin, what's your nick for? -:- yinzen [foobar@cx158568-a.okcnw1.ok.home.com] has left #tunes [] -:- yinzen [foobar@cx158568-a.okcnw1.ok.home.com] has joined #tunes hm that did it i'd appreciate it if you test stuff out elsewhere the logging of the discussion on this channel? or at least not lurk bog? why are you logging when we already have a logger? oh, I didnt know you did! abi: logs logs are #tunes logs at http://www.tunes.org/files/irc well, now you can stop lurking :) excellent! thank you, well knowing that now, I understand your annoyance hehe, yes! thx so what about your nick? well .. it represents "hidden wisdom" so are you into zen or taoism or such? basically, from my studies of taoism and eastern philosophies ah!!! :) I loooove taoism :D * water/#tunes is definitely a kind of taoist i'm somewhere between taoism, zen, and a kind of existentialism of my own we must discuss these things sometime, when you are not headed out for dinner same here, but with some judaism thrown in for good measure yes! definately! * lar1/#tunes would be intrested in that discussion too! hm good night! talk to you guys later the kabalah? ok cya and the torah! and talmud! * washort/#tunes decides to stay away from the discussion its all good -:- yinzen [foobar@cx158568-a.okcnw1.ok.home.com] has left #tunes [] heh cya later wash: comments/questions/ whatever about slate? water: hmm water: it seems like a lot. :) there's much more than i've written about water: my main concern is seeing something useful implemented in my lifetime; but i want to make a concise tutorial well, bug eihrul and i about that s/i/myself/ water: you don't have to go far to be much better than the current popular language and OS designs water: are you familiar with the Vapour project? wash: you *say* that, but... 04:50pm wash: heh yes abi vapour? water: no idea hm their goals aren't as far-reaching as yours AFAICT, but it still looks like what they're aiming for is very desirable oh well. i've seen it though. at first i thought it was a spoof site :) heh! it definitely works as a spoof site why's that? i've talked to the guys working on it - they're serious :) and are working on a compiler currently well look at all the dirt-common homebrew best-thing-since-sliced-bread os sites washort: whats the url? hcf: http://ftp.rook.com.au/ water: true. but they at least aren't doing yet-another-unix-like-OS yeah we have enough of those it's got object persistence, single-address-space environment, etc that makes for a comfortable OS... hm they have some more specific stuff now water: yeah. read the notice at the bottom. :) yeah that's been there since the beginning they were probably closer to the "insane ramblings" stage when you saw it last i find it odd that they never mention tunes etc hm. it looks like they've settled on a variant of scheme mmm, i dunno. i think it may be CL. not sure... close enough heh they definitely are throwing out a lot of CL baggage -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) that's why i suspected scheme, besides the syntax water: why do you say that? -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us847.javanet.com] has joined #tunes the namespace system for one, is un-CL-like true. oh they do mention CL * hcf/#tunes is away: (afk) hm very close in spirit to the tunes project 05:00pm or at least to unios (defunct) yeah. they're not aiming as high though, it seems which in an odd way appeals to me :) wow it looks like they're taking a page from the napier88 book (ui page) hmm * washort/#tunes looks for napier88 well, this would be Good Enough for most people abi napier88 napier88 is a language for a persistent hyper-programming system from the Univ. of St. Andrews or proprietary and evil or at http://www-ppg.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/Languages/Napier88/ the vapour gui to the programming system is hyper-programming napier is procedural, but it does this oh wow chinese checkers for squeak :) 05:10pm -:- lar1 is now known as lar-axing hm well i'll bbl and put together a slate tutorial out of this that seems simpler right now than re-organizing the site documentation -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) 05:40pm -:- voblin [ndronen@io.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- ult [ult@user-38lc60p.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- lar-axing is now known as lar1 -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ult[user-38lc60p.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- voblin [ndronen@io.frii.com] has left #tunes [] -:- ult [ult@user-38lcn7s.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes -:- coreyr [coreyr@net255ip95.parklink.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us740.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us847.javanet.com]) -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff veblen_: #TUNES (changing servers) -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff veblen_: #TUNES (Read error to veblen_[bou-0129.dialup.frii.com]: EOF from client) -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- XeF4 [xef4@97.ppp1-2.worldonline.dk] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff veblen_: #TUNES (Ping timeout for veblen_[bou-0129.dialup.frii.com]) -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff veblen_: #TUNES (changing servers) -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff veblen_: #TUNES (ircII EPIC4pre2.500 -- Accept no limitations) -:- veblen_ [veblen@bou-0129.dialup.frii.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ult[user-38lcn7s.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- ult [ult@user-38lcn5k.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 2000.0414 IRC log ended Fri Apr 14 00:00:01 2000